socksuke_uchiha ([personal profile] socksuke_uchiha) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2019-08-04 10:25 am

my werewolf had a buttpuppy

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Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-14 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
as someone who was in a much, much larger game for a much longer time than the mods have been in emp, i definitely can understand how tough it can be! not just as a mod but in a game long-term in general!

however the mods tend to app in new/er characters in semi-regularly that they don't open to new cr anyway, don't post anything open. i've seen the mods and some old blood players like the voltrons and ff crew and i'm going to add in steven stone since he's basically an ff oc with pokemon now will post closed top levels at every event and very rarely make something open- that's actually closed because it's written in a way that isn't encouraging of new cr and/or is dropped immediately or never replied to. the knb cast existed to themselves alone and a few select mods/mod friends.

they're also extremely active elsewhere. if the mods and other old blood players were half as active in the game as they are just on the prisma tdm alone there wouldn't be much of an issue. the setting isn't boring. what about steampunk technomancer is boring especially when you add exploring and playing out the tasks? i think it's hard because the only people playing the tasks out are usually people in their cliques and not actually plotting to do them outside of them or be open to it.

when a whole cast drops together and apps/reserves together it's a clique. when those casts include the mods, it's a mod clique. especially if they aren't playing in their game or using a setting that could really be fun and genuinely isn't that far off from the sparkly new sandbox. just stop being lazy and shake things up and tag out. people you want to come to this game aren't going to if you aren't active AND you make new stagnating bullshit rules like above. that these rules are coming into play around the autumn holidays is extra dumb.

i'm going to give it a bit longer but i feel like this rant has almost talked me into dropping because i don't think there will be any change for the positive with or without new mods!

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-14 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
you put into words better than i could the frustration I had been feeling in emp up until i dropped. getting cr is like pulling teeth, whether it's with the mods or the older players who consist of a big chunk of the game.

the cr memes being dead for as long as they have been are pretty clear that no one in this game wants new CR.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
ftr I don't post on the cr meme because my toplevels don't get bites outside of my CR, which only reinforces the thought that no one's going to tag the meme either.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-15 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
i've tried to get cr with some of the mods. multiple times. i've reached out, offered to write starters, tossed plot ideas at them, but then my tags got left sitting for days while i watched them boomerang their friends in other threads. it's very clear that they only care about playing with their little clique and are just paying lip service to any other cr.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-15 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
i legit forgot we had an ignis in this game until i saw his top level in the most recent event log. it's a closed top level btw.

Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-15 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Something that really bothers me about all this clique talk is that it forces the assumption that everyone involved is an arrogant shit who doesn't want to tag outside their buttbuddies at all under any circumstances. In some cases that's certainly true, and I've absolutely seen it in some of the mods here. There are a couple of them I've stopped trying to get CR with also, as trying to break into the clique isn't worth the effort for the experience I get when they do play with me.

However, I've been on the other side of it, too. I'm one of the older players in the game, and for a while I was having health issues that were severely impacting my RP energy. I dropped all my other characters so I could focus on my main and I was active every month, with several new threads and more than enough to make AC in a timely fashion, and I rarely drop threads. Even so, I never tagged outside of my own clique, because keeping up with the CR I already had was exhausting. Now that I've pulled through my issues I'm having a great time tagging out again, but I'm sure there are people who believe I'm completely unapproachable now because I spent so long barely keeping my head above water.

So, despite having many new threads each month, never flaking if I could help it, and always meeting AC, did I not deserve a place in the game at all because I needed to restrict things to my long-term CR for a while in order to keep up? Was I being "lazy" because at my lowest, getting one or two tags a day out was like pulling teeth despite my best efforts?

Again, I'm not saying everyone getting mentioned here is totally innocent. We do have a lot of cliques and I agree that some of them need to be managing their priorities better. But 99% of the time looking around my own circle, when someone is slow and insular for months at a time, it's usually because life is kicking their ass in some way. Because Emp has such low AC it's an ideal place for slow players, and for players who are struggling but want to stick it out for things to improve rather than dropping. This law I'm seeing that you're suddenly a stuck-up snob if you don't bow down and cater to every single person who comes screaming onto your doorstep for CR is damaging, I think, and so is expecting people to tag out constantly when they're already trying to coordinate with a dozen people every month.

Sometimes it's not at all a matter of being "lazy". Sometimes it is. But it hurts a lot of people when that's the automatic assumption.

Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
you put it way better than I could, nonny.

With a game this big, someone is going to get left out from the CR they want with a player. And with a game this big, a player could easily get swamped with CR that they now want to focus on building.

building those cr could take place over months. What are they expected to do then? Take on more CR because it's the correct thing to do? Who's helping them when they burn out from trying to tackle too many threads? Some characters are just popular and get piled on in open posts. Is it wrong for players to manage the number of threads they can handle? And sometimes it's not entirely visible when they do take on one or two new CR with new players. Because people would just see them tagging their existing CR/clique as the majority.

This whole thing about cliques in general in dwrp is irritating. I get that it's frustrating if it's in a smaller game where their CR would matter but there's such a large pool of players in Empatheias. Yes, it sucks when the CR you want can't be had because the player is too busy, or prefer to stick with developing what they have. I've been on the receiving end of it. So I get disappointed for a while and move on. I've also been on the side where I qualify as cliquey just because I'm swamped, having trouble keeping up with rp cause of rl, or whatever other reason. And I do want to tag out or do open logs. The heart want but there's no capacity to handle it.

Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
i don't think anyone here is complaining about the people with one character who are doing their best to keep up due to rl, anon. i know i at least am complaining about the people who have multiple characters or are in multiple games and then barely exist in emp or only tag their buttbuddies. i can think of at least two cliquey people whose main problem is that they've simply spread themselves too thin and need to drop a couple of characters/games because they can't keep up with everything they have.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
basically this.

Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
lol at thinking no one is specifically targeting players who are doing their best.

people get shit on in anoncomms because they don't play exactly how others want them to. Maybe there's legit criticism mixed in here but considering there have been anons out for blood lately (I know this is not wankgate but a lot of us do travel) I think there's a 50% chance people are just out to start shit and make people feel bad for how they rp.

Ayrt

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Except that's exactly what's happening. Likewise I can think of at least two people I've seen smeared lately who have been taking all the right steps to lighten the load and prioritize getting through RL in the long term. The fact that they're trying to gather more mods and helpers at all is indicative of the fact that they know things are going to shit and want to fix it gracefully, and yet people are coming in here to complain about how they handle their personal CR.

Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
are you seriously using health problems as an excuse to only boomerang tag your friends? no one is demanding they reach out to every single person in the game. it's the fact that they don't even try to reach out to even a SINGLE new person outside their circle that's damning.

and what's stopping them from trying during slow times? when my established cr is on hiatus or just not around i use the chance to thread with new people. sometimes it goes somewhere and sometimes it doesn't but at least i try. it really isn't that hard to branch out a tiny bit. they just don't.

on the hiatus page the luna player says she is going on hiatus because all her castmates and cr did and i think that about sums up the empatheias experience.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
even if they did reach out to a SINGLE new person, you would never notice unless it's with you and you would be complaining here all the same.

luna's hiatus does not sum up the empatheias experience, it just reveals that you care about pointless things.

da

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
or you could

you know

be in the game and just be paying attention to posts

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
or they could have confirmation bias, imagine that! i can't speak with total assurance that a group of people don't reach out to a SINGLE person. either they're exaggerating or they're completely right but also strangely obsessive for keeping track of who's reaching out to who.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Not everyone has the time or energy to get weirdly obsessive about who is tagging and reaching out to who every month.

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Re: EMPATHEIAS

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
oh fuck off. like the anon above said. you wouldn't have fucking noticed.

stop reaching for excuses to bitch. y'all clearly have a grudge against a group and are dragging them for stupid ass reasons.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
idk, in my experience, mods don't start out as closed off and cliquey, but it's something that just eventually happens when they mod a game for so long. maybe your experience is different from mine, but that's fine! all i know is that i have seen these exact same mods be more open to other players about two years ago, so that's the conclusion i draw from.

NOW having said that, you have to agree that these mods didn't just app to be mods because they are a clique, a lot of them didn't even join the game at the same time. they decided to run the game when nobody else would, and i have to imagine it was done for the love of the game as well as its players, so to paint them now in such an awful light is pretty cruel if i'm being honest.

if they want to play in a different game, it's their god given right just as much as it is yours. if they want to limit how many people they play with, it's their choice, too, because the alternative will be just a lot of dropped or slow-moving threads. as that different anon said, the mods aren't this snobby cabal who look down on everyone who isn't good enough to play with them. they're people like you and me who will read these comments and be inevitably hurt because the best they can do is simply not good enough. i'm not saying you should be grateful for their work, that's your choice, but constantly smearing them for things like these is a waste of your energy, too. nothing will change and it only ruins someone's day, whether it's yours or someone's who enjoys this hobby as much as you do.

i'm also really concerned that this insensitive dehumanization of mods will discourage others from ever stepping up, because there's really no reward in it. you can start as one of the best mods, but the day you lose steam and want to pass the torch rather than just ghost a game (see haven or spellbind), you're scum of the earth. we need to be better than this.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
exactly this.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
everything here.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
insensitive dehumanization

imagine thinking that calling people out for being cliquey is insensitive dehumanization

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
imagine being an ass to people who just wanna manage their own RP time and that means they can't tag everyone

(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
there's a pretty big difference between not tagging everyone and not tagging anyone but your buttbuddies. if you only want to interact with four or five people in the entire game you need to hie thee to a musebox instead.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-16 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
well, yeah? if one group of people are trying to run a game for you while also managing their RP time and you don't like it then i'm afraid that you're the asshole here