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venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

coming back to dwrp after a while as a player and... my dudes, it's insane the amount of entitlement people have toward mods.

"they didn't do this fast enough!!"

"they didn't do this smart enough!!"

"they didn't do this in a way that fits my preferences and best benefits my character!!"

guys, these are unpaid volunteers creating a fun space with tons of documentation, maintenance, and coordination for your personal enjoyment. either understand that and cut them some slack on not being perfect paragons who can dedicate their entire life to the cause, or if you genuinely think they're abusing their position of power, then leave. make your own game and try it yourself, because trust me - it's crazy difficult and taxing, even without people publicly second-guessing every decision.

and don't even get me started on how most mods are anon these days specifically because their reputations can get ruined so quickly just for trying to run a game...... for other people. jesus.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

everyone has turned into a Karen

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

I read this as "everyone has turned into a Kraken" and was like "yeah ok I can see it".

+1

[(Anonymous)]

totally true, and it's everywhere, not just dwrp. I moderate a fairly successful fandom subreddit and we get ridiculous amounts of abuse for trying to create a space for people to enjoy. I'm talking death threats and shit. it's like the minute you get some kind of authority, you become a scapegoat for everyone else's baggage.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

it's like people who never got over hating their parents/teachers tbh

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

i dropped down as a mod from a small fandom subreddit due to mod drama behind the scenes and i know this feel.

i would give friendly warnings to rule breakers and they would flip their shit as if i actually told them to go die in a fire.

extra peeve: users who think following rules is a violation of FREEDOM OF SPEEEEEEEEEEEEECH!!!!!!!!

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

this is why i quit modding. i was tired of doing work (that i didn't always enjoy, but did anyway) for people who were just going to yell at me... for giving them free entertainment. a lot of people were fine and great, but a few rotten apples really do spoil the bunch in this case. getting consistent harassment from even just a few players wears you down emotionally.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I modded for awhile. People generally seemed to enjoy my modding, I never got personally wanked on (though the mod team in general did a couple times while I was part of it), and some of it was a lot of fun. I will still never do it again because of the amount of entitlement and attitude of some of the players. Not all! Some people are great! But enough that by the time I stepped down for IRL reasons I had soured enough on the RP community that I haven't touched a game since then, not even as a player.

The best parts were when people got pissy and came to wank on anoncomms about things that they hadn't contacted the mod team about. Cool! Your issue will not be fixed, because any decent modteam doesn't take action based on anoncomm complaints, AND you've publicly shit on a bunch of people who would probably have been happy to try to fix it if you'd told them.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

re: wanking on anoncomms about stuff they never contacted the mod team about-

i legitimately think it's because these players are so conflict-avoidant and passive aggressive that they've convinced themselves wanking/complaining anonymously is just effective as going to the mods - i.e. in their minds, the mods should be just as beholden to the whims of sourceless (and usually unkind) anonymous comments as they are to legitimate concerns being brought up directly by players.

except the vital difference is: on anoncomms, those players don't have to be available to the mods for follow-up or responsible for any consequences of their feedback. tl;dr if you want the mods to take responsibility for fixing problems and making the game a better place, you also have to take responsibility for bringing up those concerns to them in the first place.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

By this point I honestly just accept that anyone still willing to mod probably has some major dysfunction or other. That's the bed we've made for ourselves.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

another ex mod and i'll never do it again. i wasn't even a plot mod. just a helper. but the amount of petty, vindictive entitlement that i was subject to, along with seeing the lies that small groups of people would come up with to justify acting like absolute assholes was just amazing. 'i went to the mods about-' is one of the biggest bullshit lies i see on anon comms. we all see you lying. and the worst part is that mods can't defend themselves/their actions in the same spaces because it either means 'they're on anon comms so they're wankers themselves' (never mind that the complaints are happening on wg/rpa and we're being told by those same people that existing in that space with a name/hint of a name is bad), or we're expected to lay out full receipts that expose people that shouldn't be exposed or don't ask to be or we have to document and save everything and be professional while players are being absolutely rank is just... no.

never again. the majority of the playerbase are always fine, but it's this one group or that group or that one player that decides that it has to be their way or you're being abusive that just ruins it. and god forbid that the suggestion for people that hate mods that much is to leave their game. i just honestly don't know what people expect as a result when they join a game run by someone/people they hate, they hate most everything about it and complain about everything, and then go and publically make a big stink about it. what do you want, my dude? because what you're going to get is either booted from the game or the mods dropping and now no one has a game. good job.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

coming back to this to add that i also got super tired of being a parent to a bunch of people my age. every little thing got taken to the mods. every little squabble or dislike or this didn't go my way or why are you paying more attention to them or i wanted this power/toy and i got this one why are they in the game why don't you boot them i want an oompa loompa right now!

it got so goddamn draining. the good players are wonderful and most of you are good players. but the bad ones and the needy ones are just so fucking exhausting and demand so much goddamn attention that i don't have to give. i can't focus on you. on just you. on your needs. there are 80+ other people in this game. i'm not a teacher. i'm not your parent. i don't get paid. please let me have fun. be an adult, ffs.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

that's why even games with plots are so boring. they have to be FOR EVERYONE, ALWAYS. and the mods have to justify it, always. no ocs? WHY!!! no one under 18/21??? BUT WHY!! you have player limits? WHY! character limits? WHY!

me me me me me!!!!

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

this is why i stopped modding and will never do it again. just ain't worth it. fuck all you entitled fucks.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

i had a fairly okay time modding a small, closely-knit game that didn't have a lot of vindictive players but had, frankly, a lot of lazy, obtuse, and uncreative ones that wanted everything spoon fed to them. it's just a different, less angry form of entitlement. i saw the writing on the wall though, and being friends other other ex-mods we're all of the same mind; no one wants to mod anymore. it requires so much time and energy and is so utterly thankless.

i'll also add on i've been feeling this way about other players too, especially castmates who feel 100% entitled to your time, energy, and that all cr must be positive and all interpretations must align perfectly all the time and everyone has to tag everyone equally and fairly and be active at the same level. or, hey, everyone knows the canon so it's okay to infomod and godmod other castmates. if you don't gel with certain players or say "hey i think we shouldn't tag" that doesn't work because it's "out of character". lord don't even get me started on shipping or pairings and how much ic/ooc blurring will always happen if another castmate player doesn't ~approve~ of said ship. there's no winning. i will never play in a big cast again because it's like a microcosm of a game except everyone thinks they're a mod without any real authority over each other.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

another former mod here, and this is a large part of why i'll never do it again and why i've drifted from public games entirely.

i love making them, i love writing them, i love plotting them. i hated running them. decide to be an anon mod and people are trying to out your team immediately. don't and you're painting a target on your chest instead.

even accepting that some rules would never make everyone happy, you still can't win. no matter how impartial you try to be about geting everyone involved, there is that vindictive few who get mad that this isn't about them.

seeing how players treat each other when they get something stuck under their skin is bad enough, but having that leveled at the mod team took all enjoyment i ever had in this hobby right out.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

As a mod who’s dealing with petty stuff in their game right now I’m never doing it again. The sheer amount of abuse over some snowflakes being told no is insane.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

i'm legit horrified by the replies this thread is getting and angry as hell. the treatment mods are getting is one of the biggest reasons why we aren't getting new games anymore. you dumbfucks are killing your own hobby and you're probably the same people who bitch about lmao dwrp is dying!! doesn't that bother any of you?

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it clearly bothers us, that's why we're talking about it???

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

the problem is it doesn't bother the (very vocal) minority who is doing it. many of these responses acknowledged that most players were perfectly fine. it's a smaller subset that is SO BAD as to make modding excruciating even though they're not the larger playerbase.

there's not a lot that we can do about a mostly anonymous vocal minority except maybe stop listening to them and shout them down, as the non-vocal majority.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

speaking as one of the ex-mods from above: of course it all bothers me. it pisses me off all the effort and time i put into my game just for a few assholes to not only ruin the whole experience but make me feel like nothing i did as a mod was ever good enough. no matter how fair i tried to be, how impartial, or think of different ways to roll out plot that would be interesting and engaging. "none of it was ever good enough" is exactly the opposite of what i should be feeling for running a game for fun.

and speaking as an rper that still enjoys rping, it bothers me how i don't even want to bother being in public games anymore because of how hostile and entitled certain players can be.

none of it will ever change as long as players like that continue to get into games and then treat mods like shit. or even treat mods like shit when they aren't even in those games with them. until we challenge that attitude and entitlement, it's just going to keep happening.

so good luck, current game mods. you're going to need it.

psa to current mods

[(Anonymous)]

all i can say as a response to all this is...

current mods--

as a former mod, saying "no" is such a powerful and necessary tool

i know you want to be nice

i know you want to be accessible

i know you want to smile and nod as you say "maybe not this time" to a player who then replies with 5 paragraphs of reasoning why they're right and why they should be able to do exactly what they want to do, and how they've talked to other people (who aren't named and counted, they're never named and counted) who also think they're right

but, mod

it's your game

it's your time

it's your ecosystem that you have loved, and obsessed over, and created in stolen moments between work shifts and family commitments. that you have thought about and made calculations for far more than this player ever has -- even if they think so.

so do be nice. do be accessible. listen with open ears to complaints and take action when it's warranted. but when you know you can't give them what they want, when they start in on the paragraphs with the express purpose of wearing you down, be polite, but firm. "no. we're really not comfortable with that, and the decision is final."

don't. let them.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

I've always thought mods deserved to get paid. it's crazy to think that someone should be saddled with a creative/complex organizational/customer service type job and not get compensated for it. I think that's the biggest "player entitlement" of all, honestly: taking for granted someone's unpaid labor.

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

just watching Fasti get dropped on wg over and over and over for a fucking thumbs down gif put me off modding here completely

Re: venting: player entitlement

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, and this is why I won’t mod anymore. I was only a list mod too, but people tried to rope me into their bullshit all the time. I was on top of my job, but apparently lists were still "never updated". People can bitch all they want, but those lists were updated at least once a week if the material was there to do so. I’m still happy to step up when mods are in need of help with apps or lists because I sort of enjoy that type of work, but I will never allow my name to be included anywhere.

And because none of us will mod anymore, that's why new games are sparse. Friends of mine who are also ex-mods have ideas for games. They're willing to create them, but only if someone else mods them.