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how do you mean? latinos are latinos, if youre talking about mexico. i'm not 100% sure of this, but i believe they're indigenous to the area or maybe migrated north a bit from south america? we never learned that in school. as for canadians, i can assure you, we most certainly do have people that give a shit about their cultural heritage.

holly shit no. latinos are the same shit as americans. columbus came, killed most indigenous people, took over. do you really think spanish was the local language? what you call latino names are in spanish. you know, as in FROM FUCKING SPAIN? lots of italian and french influence too depending on what parts of latinamerica go, but between thaat and all the people that came during the world war, latinamerica was also made from immigration.

in my experience, canadians talk the same way about it than latinos do: they said "my last name comes from" or "my grandparents were-". saying "I AM x-" is only something i head from americans.

i apologize if it sounded bad. like i said, we were never taught that in school (or at least my school didn't teach it). i thought that it was a mix of the spanish invasion mingling with the aztec/mayans or whoever was in the lower part of north america/upper part of south america. because portuguese and spanish are similar and both spoken in south america, but my knowledge on it is incredibly limited since i'm whitey mckraftdinner from canada.

and as a canadian, i can tell you that it's sort of half and half. most of us are happy to just be canadian, but there are some that still consider themselves (insert culture here). most that i've come across are usually east coasters that cling to european heritage or first generation canadians whose parents are chinese/korean/east indian/australian (whatever else). the 'my last name's ____' is the more prevalent that i've heard. but i think people do forget that as much as we're countries side by side, we can be pretty drastically different in certain areas.

no prob. sorry if i came off as mad, i had to explain this like five times since star wars came outand and it looks like i now have a kneejerk reaction. many of the endigenous tribes of latinamerica are in the same situation than the native americans in the usa: they barely have any land left, they need help and attention, a way to preserve the culture, but you know how that goes. some countries are doing better than others depending on how much colonization reached them (this also why you find more white people in some places than others). portuguese is only really spoken in brazil.

thanks for the canadian side of things. i only have a week of experience there from a business trip and everyone that asked about my name answered the same way i did, so i guess i just got to see one of the halves.

i haven't seen star wars so i'm trying to figure out why that movie would need explanation about latin america. i am currently stumped. i've seen gifs about jakku. is this jakku related?

ah, my dear american friend. you haven't lived until you've spent a month in canada. especially during summer. yes, we have a summer. poutine is boss. long live trudeau. maple beaver.

they're probably from the "Oscar Isaac isn't a REAL person of color/latino because his family are all conquistador oppressors!!!!!" tumblr camp

i was the anon explaining that not all latinos are poc. he IS latino, so he does count as latino representation. but he isn't poc. in many parts of latinamerican poc are also discriminated against and we also have white faces on tv, so calling him poc is not fair to the people of color who want yo see more than white on the screen.

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americans don't get that the construct of race in america is different than in latin american countries. oscar issac is lation, definitely. but he would not be called a poc in my country.

perfect is the enemy of good, anon

I'm proud that there's a Latino in such a main role like that, in a franchise as huge as Star Wars is, but some of the "he's not Pantone coffee brown" critique coming out of certain quarters isn't helping

anon, it is not that we aren't proud. we are! latino representation, awesome. but when i see the arguments, i think both sides are being stupid.

camp "he doesn't count because he isn't brown" is stupid as hell. he is latino. we have what counts as a minority in hollywood.

the other camp, instead of answering just that, keep insisting he IS poc. when he isn't.

extremes are bad. that's why i jumped to explain. white latinos are a thing. i don't want it to be perfect, because like you said, it can be your enemy. i just want everyone to fuck the hell up because neither side is helping.

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...the fuck? you have to submit to a pantone color test to be "poc" enough or something? do white-passing black people not count as poc either? super pale asians as well, maybe?

wanting pushback against colorism and people who aren't lily white on TV screens is great and all, but the hell is the 'skin too pale/not pale enough to qualify as POC' shit?

this has been happening and getting worse, nonnie

it's p much the same shit, just out of a different asshole

...no? it's not about "white passing". LATINO IS NOT A RACE. some latinos are literally white. because just like americans, they descend from white people. spaniard and italy mostly, just like the usa has a lot of england and ireland.

not all latinos are poc. many places in latinamerica have the same racist shit that happens with black people in the usa. "brown" people are negros de mierda. the cops will stop them at night for no reason. and good luck getting a decent job.

white and latino aren't mutually exclusive terms, anon. your white-passing black people doesn't apply.

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ayrt is talking out of the sides of their mouth on this but ia with how ridiculous this is getting

i've heard tumblrinas bitch about how misty copeland, a fucking trailblazer who worked her ass off to get where she is, isn't "black enough" and still too pale

especially when the people who are saying they're not 'dark enough' are usually the darker toned pocs who think they're the standing measure for what a poc is.

poe from sw:tfa is a white latino, which apparently that equals unicorn or something.

i'm latinamerican actually! so i know what is like to have bagged milk and money in colors. :)

hahaha yay colored money. or as the 'muricans say 'monoploy money'. and honestly, i laugh my butt off every time i see someone freak out, like freak out over bagged milk. high five.

but re: poe, i did not know that. guess some people don't like white(insert non-white ethnicity here)'s. maybe because they're dumb.

I'm an American from New York and I had bagged milk all through grade school in the late 80s early 90s???

most americans seem to think bagged milk is this magic mystery and flip out over it. i don't know why. it's milk in a bag instead of a carton. it's still milk. but all the ones i've mentioned it with get weird over it. go google it or look it up on youtube. shock and wonder.

there are still french-canadians and native canadians. i know someone who talks about their 1/1000th blood like jonny depp does his cherokee.

i wonder if it might just be that "i am x" is easier/faster to say than "my last name comes from" or "my grandparents were" ? i've been known to choose certain phrases over others for that reason before, but i dunno, i've always been in the "my last name is x" camp myself

That's pretty much exactly it. It's quicker to say "I'm X" than it is to give more precise breakdowns, or to explain that yes, you have a French last name, but culturally you're more influenced by your maternal heritage.

The people called "latinos" are actually made up of different races and mixes of them. There are white latinos, whose heritage comes entirely from the European Spaniards, there are latinos descended from colonized natives, latinos whose ancestors were called "mestizos" and mixed white/native, and black latinos descending from slaves. Some latinos have all three in their DNA.

It's actually a pretty complex.

Okay given what most anons agreed on and what I studied at uni... If most of the indigenous peoples were wiped out or enslaved by the Spaniards in the 1600s/1700s... The amount of non-Spaniard blood Latinos, if any left pure blood remain, has got to be like minute. 99% of the Hispanic population, as I understand practically 99% of Hispanics have some Spanish blood.

Side bar here - did Poe's actor come from Spain and/or if he's from Latin America has been DNA tested? How do people KNOW he has no percentage anything else?

Unsidebar. I have to imagine unless folks are mad ponying up for DNA tests left and right, given the disgusting slaughter behavior of the conquistadors... Isnt there a good chance many Hispanic folk at this point might be less than even ten percent indigenous. I've always wondered like barring protected groups you know are identifiable like Native Tribes do in the US, what should make the average Hispanic folks any different than the average American? What IS "POC enough" then. Maybe that guy is barely 0.5% and that gal is 17%. I mean, you have to be a very specific amount or tribes in the US want no part of you most times because of appropriation...

Not trying to troll I just. Genuinely dont understand. Italy and Greece are further south along the Mediterranean and yet those people are still "white" but Id genuinely be curious about the genetic markers for the Hispanic population and how much is Spaniard.

- To my understanding, the situation in Latin America is pretty similar to that in the US and Canada in that there are still native peoples, but their numbers are small and their situations are shitty.

- Oscar Issac was born in Guatemala, but I can't tell you anything about his DNA situation.

- Racism and lines drawn between groups is always ridiculous and arbitrary. Humans always seem to find reasons to hate each other for being different, no matter how small or petty those differences actually are.

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