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EXPIATION

Welcome to Expiation, an adventure game with science fiction, fantasy, and subtle horror elements, that explore the concepts of crime versus innocence, definition of atonement, philosophy and reflection of self. Events occur bimonthly and it is up to the new residents of this world to uncover the truth of their circumstances, find a means to survive, and return to their original worlds, if they so choose to.

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it sucks but yeah that is my recommendation. i did that when i had a similar situation and it really helped.

If you're willing to write off your semi-former rp partner that quickly that easily then it's probably for the best you didn't app in. "Maybe they will want to do something with you anyway?" "Ho hum no."

So like, maybe this is controversial, but I have to ask because I saw it happen slowly and I still don't understand. How did we go over time from "fourth walling is common and expected as a tool for comedy and CR-building" to "fourth walling is cringe and basically powergaming" to "fourth walling *can* happen but is more often used for horror and requires an opt-out post and a CW in the subject line for metafiction?"

For that matter, what do you think about fourth-walling? Do you have fond memories of it but think it belongs in the past, like the way it's used now, or wonder why it was ever popular?

I'm okay with my character being fourth-walled if I'm an LCW and the player doing so doesn't hit my character with the whole "you're fake fake fake not real and I know all of your deep secrets/emotional trauma and I'm putting you on blast haha". The characters that I've played who've been fourth-walled like this tend to be known in their universe and also know about the multiverse concept so it was weird, but not mind-breaking.

With one of my guys it was actually good for him, because he sometimes felt very alone in the setting, so he ended up making close friends with the fourth-waller (who also curbed the meta commentary and acted normal).

On the flip side, there was a fourth-walling character in a recent game that liked to unload details about the fictional characters they knew all over the network, which seemed really tasteless. While they got permission to know these characters, it seemed like they were really making a mile out of that inch, for comedy and as a way to make themselves important. It meant the fourth-walled characters couldn't get to know others organically, because Snappy Stu already told everyone.

So yeah, don't do that.

kinda messed up that you're hoping the other player will drop when you wasted time hemming and hawing and your former writing partner is enjoying their time in the game with this person. you sound petty as hell.

"more often used for horror"? genuinely haven't seen that.

fourth-walling doesn't interest me. i like characters to get to know each other organically, for threads to feel like they're give and take rather than one character going into it holding all the cards. i get why it used to be popular — it can be a fun and funny way to share tidbits about characters when both players are in on it, but it can also be a way for other players to infomod. i don't think my opinion's particularly controversial tbh.

also, like, half the people who fourth wall just aren't as funny as they think they are.

i'll start:

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the good place

My common rule towards fourth-walling is that characters could know of a canon and even love it, but not show the darker, more personal aspects. Maybe the canon is but a dramatization of events for other characters.

I think of it like one of those Based On A Real Story movies and series, with the obvious catch that it's a heavy dramatization and glorification of events; whereas if the character actually talks to the person of said canon, they'd know the truth, the changes in details, and so on.

That said, it's a bit hard to write. My canon-consuming char is polite about those things and I likewise ask for permission before doing any sort of canon-puncturing, but I have to balance between my character being massively knowledgeable about a work of fiction, and vital facts about a canon being obfuscated so they have little idea about a character.

One case I remember happening, that seemed to work really well, was of a canon character inviting friends to watch their "official" canon together, and it spawned a lot of great threads of people commenting on it. Both the "dramatized" events, as well as the effects and the like.

Semi-serious answer: Fortnite.

With the little I know of the canon, though, it's somehow a lighthearted version of *the Hunger Games*, in which people fight over and over, while remembering everything that happened.

I suspect part of it happened due to too many tactless players puncturing canon without warning or care, I was in a game where one player had an otaku OC who wrecked a couple of OTHER PEOPLE'S CR by blurting out info, did the 'hey this guy is shady af' warning posts. there was another OC in those days notorious for this stuff like telling a Robin!Jason Todd that Joker was going to beat him to death.

I had some fun forth-walling attempts and something along the lines of The Last Action Hero is fun to play with, but seeing what those two OCs did with the concept... it's very understandable why people soured on it.

when my character runs into a character from media he most definitely would be familiar with, i avoid the 4th wall by having my character know an "alternate" version of the canon with the same plot but the details, title and character names are tweaked to be slightly different. that way i can avoid having my character know too much plus i just think it's funnier that way.

it's fine if it's a character who is used to weird canon stuff like multiple universes, but if it's a relatively mundane canon then being fourth walled is like dropping a philosophical bomb about their place in the universe and who they are. it's not always fun to play out and some players who fourth wall people don't bother to stop and think about that. it's especially not fun when it happens at their first meeting or in an early game event or tdm and impacts their entire entry into the game.

in general i think it's a boring way of creating drama and shows a lack of creativity. if all you can think of is "lol you're a cartoon" i'd rather you stopped and thought of something else.

Haven't seen the horror aspect you're describing. The usual reaction I see is something like 'oh, your world has a TV show about me?' not 'i'm fictional AAAAAAAAAAAAAH', which when you're looking and multiverse stuff seems the more sensible reaction. Because they'd be real to themselves. It's different to meeting your creator.

I don't remember it being popular, either. Outside of DDD, which was pretty cracky, I can't recall it being common.

My feelings are different. In general, it's usually fairly boring. A quick, cheap laugh is the best it can get.

yooooo thank you anon!! do those photobucket watermarks come off?

can we brainstorm for some fresh, cool memes?

this. years ago when it was more common i had a note in my permissions to that effect.

think about it, if you discovered someone else had read a book or watched a show about your life it would be weird, and raise a lot of questions, but it would not result in you concluding that you must be fictional and not a real person, because some stranger believed you were fictional! that reaction never made any sense to me. so i noted that fourthwalling was fine but my characters would not agree that they were in fact just fictional characters, no matter what was said.

this approach was unusual in the rp circles i was in at the time. lots of characters accepting they weren't real and either freaking out or the writer just playing it all for laughs.

it fell out of fashion because most people never liked it

i don't like it

dead by daylight

not my kind of video game to play but id join a dead by daylight rp game in a heartbeat!

okay

you start

A Lights Out/anon version of seven minutes in heaven
A bad luck meme. Characters stub their toe, lose their keys/wallet/magic sword, are hit by things someone threw out windows/a window cleaner's dropped squeegee, etc.
IDK is there a roommate meme?

roller rink
community service
saved by a life guard!

door to door. character ends up at another character's door trying to sell or persuade!

bar fight

documentary. characters are making one!

reality TV confessional!!

omg i was thinking we need a roommate meme too

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