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what is your opinion on crau? does it change depending on the type of game the character is coming from, or if they're a cast mate or not?

i hate it when people crau app as my cast mates from sex games in particular. if i wanted to play with the slutty versions of my cast i would app a sex game.

if more than one person in a cast is the same crau that's a really annoying uneven footing to put everyone else on pretty much permanently. otherwise i don't care

i've been in this position where a huge group of crau cast applied after a bunch of us had been there a while and it was awkward because their characters had all changed a lot and shacked up in ooc ships.

not my thing but that's why i don't app to games that accept them, if others like them then to each their own have your fun etc

people who play in games that accept craus then complain when they get a crau castmate have some issues

I dislike craus and a game allowing them is a pretty big downside for me.

I'd rather experience the plot of the game I'm in than have to deal with the aftermath of several other games.

i'm not a fan of crau. if i want to play with that version of a char from that specific game with those mechanics, then i'd join that game. if the game's closed, that's what museboxes are for. dragging cr with one+ castmates or just gamemates to another game where they have incredibly different characterizations from how a non-crau version would have (or someone not from that game) and then having cast to work around sucks sometimes for the castmate. for a variety of reasons.

1) they're apping in with their shipmate that's potentially ooc, with mechanics from another game that makes them unrecognizable to anyone from their original cast that doesn't know about the alterations. they will likely not tag around much and just join to play out their ship in another game, or if they do, they will likely get mad when you're not comfortable with their ship/don't want to play with their mechanics of their old game that lock you out.
2) they app in a cluster that again, plays within their little group and self-segregates because castmates of potentially combined cr clusters don't want to work with unrecognizable versions of their cast.
3) they take up a cast spot with what is essentially an oc since it's not the character that you or any of your cast can recognize. even if you're not in the cast, you don't often want to play against it.
4) a new game usually means 'new mechanics' and new people to a panfandom jamjar. having people come in with 'this is old news, i've done this in eight ~~games~~ worlds before, here's what we do' feels like it can ruin it for others. it can lead to those characters trying to take the helm because they're old hats.

#notallcraus, i know. and yes, 'if you app into a game that's been open awhile or are in a game awhile, characters change. this is the same as that'. yes and no. yes, characters can change organically through a game's run time, but people are usually there to see it and know the reasons behind it. and it fits within that world's mechanics and it's a one time thing. having cast or not cast but a game-mate come in with a parasite or new powers they've carried over or 'we organically shipped our hero/villain but none of you get to see the build up so enjoy this ooc ship shoved into your game'. and in a brand new game, it's sketchy as hell to have cast or even crosscanon cr come in knowing each other with abilities they shouldn't have in canon but gained through another game in a ship that makes no sense and telling the 'also new but really new to world kidnapping concept' characters how to play. and that's if they even make the effort to tag outside of their ship/cluster. it's soured me on crau.

"having cast to work around sucks sometimes for the castmate"
"it's sketchy as hell to have cast or even crosscanon cr come in knowing each other with abilitie(...)"
"it can ruin it for others"

i don't like craus either but this is dumb as hell. those people apped into a game knowing that game accepts craus, knowing some of those could be castmates. there's nothing sketchy for someone to app something the game allows. you're literally saying "wah wah stop having fun in a way i don't like even if the game allows it and i knew i was getting into".

if you don't like any rule a game has (can be this, or fandom aus, or doubles, or cast caps, or whatever) don't app to that game.

it's a poll asking for opinions, anon. you don't have to agree with it. i'm not personally attacking you and all of those are instances where i've had to deal with it. you're right. i apped into games that allowed it because i liked the premise of the game itself, the plot, and wanted to have fun. i tried to look past the idea of the craus being there, but they continued to bother me. so i've now opted to not join games that allow it. my problem is solved, but apparently your assfury just flared up.

you called a group of people "sketchy" for playing something you don't like. what exactly were you expecting?

you're misreading or misplacing sketchy. i said it's sketchy as hell to have a group come in and be the super master knowers of how to survive a panfandom game when it's a new game opening and most people are there for 'the first time'. it's sketchy behavior. it's like saying someone's being an ass over calling them an ass. this is basic communication, anon. you teach kids that no one's allowed to call them bad, but that they're allowed to say what you're doing is bad. one is behavior over identity. sorry you feel personally attacked over my not agreeing or liking a certain kind of behavior.

no, it's not sketchy at all. if the game allows characters to know how jamjar works, then guess what, people are going to use that knowledge. the people who apped characters being there for the first time knew this and accepted it could be happen. it's part of the game. they are literally doing nothing wrong and i say this as someone who also dislikes craus. you can't call someone "sketchy" or "it can ruin it for others" for using a game mechanic you personally don't like.

and again, i'm not calling them sketchy. keep saying that you also don't like craus, but you're the one getting this overdefensive over something that apparently doesn't even apply to you.

oh sorry you called them using a game mechanic sketchy. big difference that totally changes the point. except not.

i'm not overdefensive. i just hate people who can't see the difference between having a preference (which is cool) and judging others that have different preferences. you literally said, and this is a copy/paste quote, "it can ruin it for others". your tldr wasn't just a personal "this doesn't work forme", you tldred about how they ruin things and casts have to work around them. and that's some real bullshit. if you don't like a game mechanic so much that it can ruin the experience for you, don't play in that game. but they aren't ruining anything. again: people using a game mechanic you don't like are doing nothing wrong. your comment implied that they did. you explained how bad it was for others to have to deal with craus when those others accepted the rules the minute they apped.

because the golden rule of 'one bad apple ruins it all' still applies. a lot of people are cool with trying to app into a game that allows craus because some craus are decent. some of them don't shit where they eat. but when you've had to deal with the ones that smear their terrible behavior and characterization over a game, you don't want to play with them, period. same with ocs. or same with aus in general. the fact that you're so mad over this when it doesn't apply to you makes me think you're lying through your teeth. it can ruin it for others. it has. some ocs are wonderful. some are shit and overpowered and make you never want to play with ocs again. you roll the dice in any given situation. just like casts in general.

seriously, why are you so mad? who hurt you? and all of this is unnecessary because as i've said before, i found i didn't want to roll those dice and now i don't play in games that have craus. i've been proactive in managing my fun. but you're the one shitting your pants over an anon answer to a poll that asks how you feel about craus. if you don't like hearing how people feel about a thing in a poll, don't read a poll.

bruh i've had bad canon characters ruined the apple bushel way more frequently for me for all those same reasons and there's no denying dwrp culture is still way more forgiving to bad canon characters. it's not wrong to be frustrated by that hypocrisy.

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there are characters whose canon experiences would make them think they're an old hat at the mechanics of a jamjar/survival horror game.

i feel like you guys are trying to argue people into liking or accepting crau when they've said they don't. how about you guys just respect that some people don't like crau for whatever their reasons are and play with them if you want.

anon can dislike craus all they want but if they tldr about how they ruin things for everyone they need to expect this kind of reaction. like the other anon said, there is a difference between saying "not my thing thank you" (look at all the other anons in this thread that weren't jumped on) and three paragraphs about how evil they are (all things that have been done by not-craus as well)

it's a poll speicifically asking people their opinions on CRAUs. the poll didn't say "answer yes or no only", it asked for their opinions. you're literally pissed off because someone is talking about their feelings on a subject in a thread where they were specifically asked about their feelings on that subject.

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a few years back i was in a fantasy game that accepted craus and thought i'd be fine with them....then a sex game closed and a group of cast mates apped crau from it. made me incredibly uncomfortable since the game i was in was not a sex game and they didn't seem to get that i didn't want to play out their characters having slept with mine and wasn't thrilled their characters kept talking about sex all the time.

maybe consider what sort of game you're coming from and going to and what you might be forcing on unwilling cast mates. agreeing to crau shouldn't include "also my character fucked yours :) a lot :)"

fully agree. and it's a one-way thing, too. if you were in a sex game, then you can crau into a sex game. if you were in a horror game, then you can crau into a horror game. gen -> gen. but when you move anything but gen into another game type, it can be somewhat uncomfortable. either from copious smut that's just not comfortable for other parties, or gore that wasn't asked for. but it's usually smut that gives a lot of crau crossovers a bad name. it can border on creepy when someone shoves unwanted/unasked for smut cr at your character in a gen game.

For people who can't let go and let a chapter of their rp fun end.

I'm okay with it as long as they don't force the same CR on my character that they had with that character in a previous game. Thankfully most of my characters are uncommonly played so I usually have no issues.

Only CRAUs I'm looking to app are from murdergames and already know that people can come from different times and even different versions of the same world. So it won't be hard for me to ICly justify them accepting a different version of someone they knew.

i've played a couple characters as cr aus. i know a lot of people dislike them and am fine with that, but i was able to build cr and have fun with new people.

some things i think helped:

- i didn't crau from a sex game.
- i didn't app with a crau ship partner, or with a group of friends; i had one character whose development i was still interested in writing, so i brought them to a new game
- my character didn't talk a whole lot about canon characters she knew before, even if she saw them in game. i didn't have her thread with characters she knew with the expectation that they'd have an identical relationship as a different version of the character in another game.

so obviously i enjoy crau. i think like most other things in rp, characters should be evaluated on a case by case basis. the crau mun needs to be respectful, and if their character x had cr with character y in former game z, and now they're playing with a new y written by a mun they don't know, they need to realize that the cr won't be exactly the same.

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