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Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

why do people say kanaya isn't classy??? she is classy as fuck compared to the other trolls. she and rose are the classiest characters in hs and it's why i love them! do anons have something against girls being the sane ones or

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

she has a few moments where she BLUHs and goes Fuck That Guy and, you know, acts like a normal teenager

i guess "classy kanaya" mutated into "prim and proper old lady with her fancy hat taking tea twice a day and three times on sundays," which is something she is not

for a 13ish-year-old from a society of supposedly fashion-blind born killers, she is classy as fuck. put her in a situation that requires sawing a guy in half or slopping blood everywhere and she'll do it no problem, which is where the difference lies.

wow tl;dr she is classy, but not all the time and wouldn't fit in at the prim proper uptight ladies' club.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

haha, the fuck is this? if anything people make kanaya overclassy. 'perfect special snowflake kanaya who is always classy and mature and can do no wrong' is my most hated trope in homestuck rp and it happens ALL THE TIME.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

THIS

It really grinds my gears tbh. Kanaya can be immature, petty and incredibly passive-aggressive. She is deeply flawed just like all the other trolls. But fandom Kanaya is ALL FLAWLESS FASHIONABLE LESBIANS, ALL THE TIME.

I'd point to her treatment of Vriska as indicative of her flaws, but Kanaya stans seem to believe Vriska was in the wrong there anyway (fyi Kanaya was more in the wrong in that whole mess than Vriska was, hth)

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

I'd point to her treatment of Vriska as indicative of her flaws, but Kanaya stans seem to believe Vriska was in the wrong there anyway (fyi Kanaya was more in the wrong in that whole mess than Vriska was, hth)

what

are you a troll

tell me you're a troll

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Why would I be trolling?

Kanaya and Vriska were friends (moirails?). Kanaya developed red feelings for Vriska but never told her. Vriska then kissed Tavros. According to Alterniabound, Kanaya cut ties with her at that point.

What the fuck did Vriska do wrong?

In Alterniabound, she has no idea why Kanaya is so cold to her and tries to make smalltalk with her. This isn't the "haha hey Pyrope, that sure was a gr8 prank I just pulled on you, we're still pals right?"-style apologies from the recent updates, she's honestly confused and hurt. Kanaya continues to be unhelpful and distant.

Basically, Kanaya was using ~nice guy~ tactics on Vriska, then blamed Vriska when she ~got her heart broken~. It's a lot like the Eridan-Feferi situation, right up until the resolution (punching Vriska out as opposed to murdering her). :/

da

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. I'm a former Vriska!mun, and this always bothered me when I RPed her. I didn't play with a single cast or Kanaya that didn't condemn Vriska for not realizing Kanaya's feelings or see the punch as long-suffering Kanaya finally standing up for herself.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad someone agrees! It's an attitude that really bothers me, tbh. Eridan gets so much shit (deservedly!) over the "nice guy" thing, but when it's VrisKan it's Vriska who gets villainized?

Being oblivious does not mean Vriska was in the wrong.

[tastestherainbow]

As a Kanaya player, I agree with this entirely. Kanaya fucked up huge by behaving like a little immature brat in response to Vriska kissing Tavros. Vriska fucks up a lot of things, but this is one of the few circumstances that caused problems that she was involved in but, in no way whatsoever, at fault for. Vriska (even if she weren't as oblivious to other people's feelings as she is) had absolutely nothing t go on as to why Kanaya was treating her that way--hell, she had assumed Kanaya might have had a thing for Tavros, which, from anyone but Kanaya's perspective, was actually the more logical assumption. They were moirails, which is a platonic romance, which means Vriska had no reason to consider for even a moment that Kanaya wanted to mack on her.

Kanaya's passive-aggressive response to Vriska kissing Tavros also likely contributed to Vriska's death. As the more even-tempered member of the moirailship, it was her responsibility to keep Vriska under control and her passive-aggressive silent treatment and deliberate avoidance of Vriska kept her from really being there during the game or on the asteroid to keep Vriska from 1) killing Tavros or 2) trying to find and kill Jack. She may have snout-punched Vriska during the three-way highblood standoff, but she had been avoiding Vriska for so long that she had no way to anticipate Vriska's plan.

Kanaya is hands down my favorite troll. But she was 100% completely and entirely in the wrong concerning her treatment of Vriska AND (if taken from after Vriska's death) she would likely realize that and feel guilty. I cannot fathom her actually blaming Vriska for anything regarding this matter.

Having your best friend, moirail, and object of affection killed even possibly partially due to your selfish, passive-aggressive behavior should be enough of a wakeup call (read: a truckload of perspective hitting her in the face) for anyone--ESPECIALLY Kanaya--to realize you fucked up good. So, there is no way she would continue to blame Vriska; even if she were taken from BEFORE Vriska's death, I think that Kanaya would eventually realize her immature behavior, although it might require her to actually explain her feelings and reasons for behaving, which hearing it out loud would probably make her think 'Wow I Am A Little Shit'.

Also, she is a doormat (there is being selfless or generous and then there is being a doormat, the latter of which she is) which is also a flaw no one's mentioned yet. She's not a classy 'go with the flow, sacrificing herself for all the little dears' type person, but a doormat.

Don't get me wrong. As I said before, she is my favorite troll. Kanaya is a very classy lady, but much of it is superficial.

Also, remember she fights like a goddamned drugged up berserker. There is nothing classy about berserkers. Awesome, yes; classy, no.

[(Anonymous)]

Aaand this depth of understanding and willingness to embrace your character's flaws is why you're my favourite kanaya. :D

[(Anonymous)]

This is awesome and you're awesome.

I'll admit I'm a Kanaya player who didn't really get the Vriska thing at all until I actually played out a really fucked up reunion/argument with Vriska somewhere and I finally got it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it may be a little more complicated than that. If their moirallegiance had been picture-perfect aside from Kanaya harboring an undisclosed flushed crush on Vriska, maybe it would've been entirely on her.

But the two of them would've been outrageously imbalanced and unhealthy. On Kanaya's end, you have her distraction due to conflicted feelings and the fact that she's nowhere near as even-tempered as she likes to consider herself, and that for both of these reasons she had no business being in this quadrant with Vriska. But you also have the fact that Vriska is egocentric and selfish where Kanaya is, as you said, a doormat. It would be fair to say that Vriska took advantage of Kanaya's feelings, as the anon below said, but I don't think it's as big a stretch to think she might have taken advantage of her nature, and not necessarily even consciously!

I think a fair amount of Kanaya's bitterness could have resulted from that, and it doesn't help that their conversation in Alterniabound seemed like the first Vriska had even attempted in weeks. None of this is to say she wasn't being immature and stupid about the whole thing, but it isn't so easily a situation one can pin down to just one of them. They were pretty much awful for each other as moirails.

That said, I definitely think Kanaya would consider herself responsible for Vriska's death, but I don't think she'd be quite self-aware or mature enough for it to suddenly click that she had been really awful and should suddenly stop. Even admitting her part of the blame to Vriska wouldn't be easy for her, but it would definitely complicate her feelings to being more than just a cold, bitter shoulder toward her.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

While all these are good points, they completely leave out the angle that Vriska and Tavros and Kanaya were -- oh right I'm sorry according to interpretation of certain panels -- in an ashen relationship. And one of the main points of an ashen relationship is that nobody involved kisses anybody else involved. "So THAT'S why she had you make this dress for her???" (004288) implies very strongly that Vriska gave Kanaya an alternate alibi about the reason that she wanted a dress -- she lied to someone she was in a quadrant in, for the express purpose of violating the contract set out by said quadrant. In this reading, Kanaya may still be blaming Vriska unfairly for actions caused by her own failure to accurately communicate what she actually wants and reacting immaturely to the results, but shes's still a thirteen-year-old girl who has, by the standards of troll culture, been cheated on in the way she would least desire.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

And one of the main points of an ashen relationship is that nobody involved kisses anybody else involved.

and where was this stated in canon exactly? this sounds like a whole lot of headcanon to me.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

but trolls seem like they're only allowed to have one person in their quadrants at a time

as in your moirail cannot be part of your auspictice too

why are you butthurt about other people having a different interpretation? it's not a big deal to run with the idea that kanaya might have been more effective as an auspictice and gone to that quadrant but didn't since she both thought she was still more a moirail to vriska and then had her feelings too hurt to deal with it properly

chill

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

But in her log with Karkat here (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004467), Kanaya says Vriska's the one avoiding her. Which to me implies that Kanaya did attempt to reach out afterwards, got rebuked, and that's when she got bitter about it.

(I definitely am not trying to claim Kanaya is perfect - she's as flawed and messy as the rest of the trolls, she's just not as overtly obvious about it - but I think the Vriska situation is often misconstrued.)

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

Vriska took advantage of Kanaya's crush and played her for a fool every chance she got.

But bawwww Vriska her life is so hard

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

Examples, please

It's pretty blatantly obvious that Vriska was oblivious to Kanaya's crush

(Vriska's terrible too, I'm not an ~omg poor tragic Vriska~ person, but ok)

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

do you really think kanaya is terrible

uhhh

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

Not terrible as in Vriska-terrible, no. But she's still very flawed.

I like her as a character! Just not as a person, if that makes sense at all.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

> Vriska took advantage of Kanaya's crush and played her for a fool every chance she got.

Are you kidding? Vriska even thought that Kanaya had a crush on Tavros instead of her. She has absolutely no idea, dude.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

I think it can be understandable to a degree why people overdo her classiness? You need to remember that Kanaya was pretty much raised by Doc Scratch, who is all about being the classiest he can possibly be, for a good portion of her life. A lot of her deviations from the typical troll likely come from that upbringing. But she is still a teenage girl, which people forget a lot. Even the most mature people have their moments.

tbh this is a problem with most players and it isn't normally their fault because of how the comic presents the characters. everything is text based and without descriptions of how the character sounds, so its up to the reader to think of how a character is really acting in a certain situation.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

Kanaya was pretty much raised by Doc Scratch

I'm sorry, what.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[tastestherainbow]

Doc Scratch did have a strong influence on Kanaya when she was a child, but he sort of dropped off the face of the planet and never spoke to her again when she was very young. She actually mentions thinking that Doc Scratch and her memories of him were simply an imaginary friend from childhood due to how abruptly he disappeared and how vague her memories of him were.

I don't doubt that some of the classiness (particularly her big vocabulary and very proper speech) was influenced by him when she was in her very young developmental stages, but he did not raise her by any means.

Re: HOMESTUCK

[(Anonymous)]

Handmaid was pretty much raised by Doc Scratch. Kanaya had a few young-wriggler visits from the distant 'uncle,' long enough ago that she's no longer sure if it was real, and was raised by her lusus. I attribute more of her deviations from troll norm to being diurnal rather than nocturnal.