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Is there another way to stop re-uploads to manga sites other than pdfs?

The scanslation group (doing both official manga and doujinshi) my friend is in apparently can't do pdfs because the head of the group is really against them for some reason.

They've constantly had problems with their translations being stolen and uploaded on different sites and they REALLY don't want that to happen again since they're tackling a larger fandom that their previous stuff.

Also, the scanner, (another friend, not part of the group, I'm just the middleman), would probably be really pissed off if that happened again since the last time they scanned stuff, they were chased off of tumblr by ungrateful trolls and had their stuff stolen and re-uploaded so many times that the doujinshi artists caught wind of it and asked her to take down her scans.

They only agreed to the group using their scans as long as nobody stole them and put them on multiple sites, since those sites won't take them down no matter how many times the scanner asks.

I was going to just say "maybe use watermarks?", but that doesn't really sound like it'll work...

By really against them, I meant against pdfs, not against my friend, whoops.

Even pdfs wouldn't stop it since it's not that hard to screencap stuff. Javascript to disable right-clicking doesn't work since most people have noscript and can work around it. Watermarks don't work because they often can be removed or they'll just be posted to the other sites with the watermark.

The sad truth is, if you want to be able to control where something goes, the only for sure solution is to not post it.

Which of those methods would work best against lazy people?

I've had my scans as pdfs as nobody has stolen them so far, even though I'm literally the only scanner in this fandom now.

I think it's because they're too lazy to rip the images from the pdf....I mean, they'll easily steal them if it's just jpegs/pngs on a winrar zip.

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watermarks sounds good to me. even if their scans get out there, they'll still be traceable back to them. bonus: do the occasional watermark over one of the manga panels to make it hard to edit out

That's not the problem they're having. If the scan gets too widespread, it might get back to the source and cause problems.

then they should probably own up to the fact that they're doing something illegal to begin with

tell them to stop being a hypocrite, and if they're only going to feel morally challenged by illegally uploading and translating scans when they get caught then they shouldn't be doing it at all.

"no one can steal these and repost them... except me" is a bullshit way of thinking and of course no casual reader is going to respect that. tell them to get permission from the fucking artist first if they're so worried about it.

Wow, way to shit on everyone's who's ever done a fan-translation, scanned stuff or a patch of a visual novel.

lol cry more

i do translations too actually and i acknowledge that they're illegal. if you're worried about getting caught, then don't do it. it's not your readers fault when you're the one doing something you know is wrong.

fellow translator agreeing with this. the entire point of doing fan translations in the first place is to share the thing with people who don't speak japanese, so there's no reason to complain if someone decides to upload it to a place where it will have an even wider audience.

this. if you're a fan translator with no actual permission from the original artist you don't get to be picky about what happens to "your" stuff

Prefacing this with a "I do solo scanlations."

No, there isn't.

If you post it, they'll be uploaded to manga websites when someone finds them. It's super easy to rip images from pdfs. Hell, it's easy to take kindle store manga/comics/books and rip all the pages in 2 minutes or less. It doesn't matter if most people are too lazy/don't know how. All it takes is one person.

And obviously watermarks aren't going to stop people. They want to know what's going on with the story; they don't care who did it except to know where to go for more. Personally, unless the person made the characters/series themselves, ie it isn't a doujin of an existing canon, then I don't think they should be using watermarks. Watermarks imply you made it. Scanning, typesetting, translating etc... Yeah, you did the work but it's not "yours." No, not even the translation is yours because even if you did it yourself, you don't own the rights to the original text.

So yeah, if you don't want it spreading everywhere, don't post it publicly. And even then, don't post it anywhere if you want to be sure it won't be reposted elsewhere, but then why bother working on it, right?

tl;dr Your friend is doing something illegal, and your friend's group has no right to complain how their illegal scans are used. Similarly, doujin authors/artists don't have a right to complain if their work is based on someone else's existing work they don't have the rights to.

I agree with you on most of this, but doujin is completely legal in Japan, so the doujin artists aren't doing anything illegal at all. copyright is different there.

it's not, but publishers ignore it because it's good advertising. in fact copyright is way worse in japan, that's why pixiv artists are so paranoid about their art appearing on other sites. they're afraid the companies will find it.

+1 it's the same as what happens with fanartists in the us. it's not legal, it's just that someone who isn't making a ton of money really isn't worth wasting their legal teams on unless they want to use someone as an example. a few years ago there was a big scare about fanart at comic cons being commissioned - and that was by "big name" artists (ie, published comic artists). not everyone is adam hughes pulling in $1000 a sketch and i don't doubt adam has his work arounds.

the point is, the reason you see "don't repost" on fanart and doujinshi from japan isn't so much translations and what not as it is the exposure. it's controlled in printed matter or on a small site in japan. i can guarantee they never expected 1/200 copies of a doujinshi would be scanned and uploaded online with their style/a handle of theirs attached to it, especially if it's smut.

same anon and i'd like to add this is also why the scanlations sites of yore were typically password-only forums or through irc channels. it gave them some control of it and made it harder to get a hold of.

I would like to point out one thing.

Like with doujinshi, part of why people ignore it is that doujinshi artists aren't supposed to be getting rich off of it. Same with scanlations.

The sites that steal scanlations use them to make huge profits, without doing any work. That feels a lot worse to some people, like the difference between a fan artist and someone who makes a website posting all of their art without credit. They're taking it a few steps further.

just post text translations and give up on scanlating if you want to stop lazy people from reposting them on scanlation sites

a text translation is good enough for anybody who can get ahold of the original and you're not redistributing copies of the original work

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