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A new hire is a gamble, an internal promotion is a much safer decision

In the future, you can usually tell actually open positions from internal hires that are obligated to be posted on USAjobs by the deadline. If it's only 2 or 3 weeks it's pretty much gaurenteed to already have been filled.

Exactly. And think about it from the other side - if you'd worked your butt off to get put into a certain position, you wouldn't be very happy if it went to a new hire.

It's really more a problem with requiring all jobs to be posted. I understand why they're required to do it, but it gives false hope to one side and undue stress to the other.

A good amount of the time it's not even a matter of the internal person being all that good. It's a matter of they know the right people so they get the job they want.

Though I do agree that posting jobs that are pretty much filled already because they have to is dumb. I just don't think that they should hire based off anything besides who is the most likely to do the best job. I so very much dislike the fact that connections and networking is so vital to get a decent job now when it should only be about skills and qualifications.

understanding the office and being able to fit in with the people is important, though, and lots of people can list off skills and qualifications on paper that they're not actually good at. i honestly can't think of a job where being able to play nicely with others wouldn't affect your job performance, and you can't tell that from a resume. even if someone's done well in 6 other places, maybe they'll just fucking hate a couple of people in your office (because everyone hates someone) and that's going to screw the entire team.

when someone is promoted who clearly doesn't deserve it because the boss likes them, that's one thing, but there are reasons other than blind nepotism that networking and meeting people face to face is important now.

But someone who doesn't have the connections could also turn out to get on FINE and do a fantastic job. Even better than the one you already know, but if you're not even bothering with other candidates you'll never know.

sure, that's always a possibility, anon. they could also turn out to be a terrible fit. you can't always hire everybody, and that's that. it sucks, but it's probably nothing personal.

Explain this then.

How the hell is anyone supposed to get started if no one bothers to look at the unconnected people? This is a fucked up broken system.

really depends on what field you're trying to break in to, and what level you're aiming for. most everyone starts out as unconnected, you just have to find the right way to get your foot in, to make your connection. i don't disagree that the system is pretty fucked up though and it'll probably take a lot of rejection before you make it in. it sucks, but you can't give up if it's something you really want.

(yeah i know, easier said than done, but if you give up it'll never happen, right?)

imo it's not really any business' responsibility to help anyone "get started". it's great when they can, but they're trying to keep their current employees afloat and make some money on top of that, too. maybe big corporations have money to burn like that, but since when is a big corporation going to give a shit about a rando trying to get their career started?

like the other anon said, new hires are a gamble -- they're also more expensive. it's a lot of time and money to sink into training someone new from the ground up. that's why employers like referrals if they're going to hire someone outside the company; if you need a job done, and someone you know and trust vouches for somebody who can do that job, why would you take a risk on someone you know nothing about when you have someone with a stellar review right in front of you?

if you're looking for jobs in a field where word of mouth and connections are the only way to get something, then you gotta get some connections. that's the answer. there's no way around it.

yeah, it sucks, and yeah, in a perfect world we'd be able to carefully weigh every candidate objectively and make the most logical choice. but that's just not how it works.

you start at the bottom just like the people who now have the connections did. i guarantee you that very few people just walk in off the street and get hired for a high-level position; the vast majority start off in an entry-level position and then work their way up.

Why do people always assume that the positions people are applying to are high level positions when even entry level work is subject to this problem?

The thing is, you can't always tell how well they'll fit in even if you know the person. The person the boss or someone knows isn't likely to know everyone in the office. They also could have their ways of working that are downright annoying to the people in the office.

Thing is, you can't tell how someone is going to fit in to office culture until they are there and fitting in or not. The only thing that they can for sure determine is how qualified the candidate is to do the actual job.

I also can think of some jobs where playing nicely with others isn't a huge concern. Those will be jobs where most of the time you're working alone and may only see your co-workers at meetings, if that. Actually, work from home jobs are definitely the type where you don't need to worry so much about playing nicely with others since you often barely interact with your co-workers, it's more about actually doing the job.

What does working from home have to do with the topic at hand?

The above poster said they don't know of a job where dealing with co-workers can affect performance, Jobs with a lot of telecommuting are one because you deal with your work and very little dealing with co-workers so it won't affect your performance much or at all if you hate one of your co-workers unlike in an office where you can't avoid them.

that depends heavily on the job. lots of telecommuting jobs still have you as part of a team, particularly if the job is in IT. you still have to communicate and work with your team members, you're just doing it over a skype chat instead of in person.

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