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sorry your game idea got shit all over, anon. i just saw it this morning and thought the initial idea sounded fun. can't really blame you for not wanting to mod after the response you got, though.

oh, here we go with the "hi ___" shit.

there's more than one anon who thinks you're being a hysterical tittybaby.

... do you even know what you're replying to? parent up, you idiot.

their slobbering frenzy left no room for little things like rationality

The irony is I was considering starting a sex game with aphro and noncon and kink to fill the coa void but after seeing this happen to cuddlemod there's no way I'm doing it if it means I might have to deal with some of the entitled pissbabies in this thread. Some of the suggestions were fine but knowing that the game might attract some of the other anons is enough for me to not want to touch it.

Two potential mods, one stone, and one of us actually was considering giving them what they want. When are people going to learn this isn't happening in a void? If dwrpers keep creating an atmosphere like this nobody's going to take up modding anymore.

if you're willing to not make a game based on one or two anons on an anon comm that might not even join it because wah, pissbabies, you're likely not great mod material anyway. even if no one had said anything and you'd decided to go through with it, guess what? you're always going to have to deal with someone you don't like as a mod. every game has someone that's an asshole in it. most games have multiples.

but hey, keep using 'whiny pissbaby anons' as the reason why you're not modding instead of you knowing you have zero ability to actually mod or the desire to do so. if you wanted to make it, you'd make it. whiny pissbabies wouldn't stop you because you'd realize it's an inevitability. good job blaming it on anon comms when you come to anon comms and know what the atmosphere's like. no one's calling anyone an asshole except for the people trying to make this a buttpatting contest.

if you think that you'd get away without 'attracting those icky anons' you're fucking mistaken. you're also mistaken in thinking that all toxic assholes even go to anon comms. so. yeah. good job living in a bubble. keep on not making a game and then blaming it on other people because you have no follow through. "I would have made a game, if it wasn't for those blasted anons."

sure you would have, scooby villain. sure you would have.

shh honey the grownups are talking

You really don't get it do you. The hobby has gotten more and more toxic and has burned out most of its former mods so that the pool of potentials is much smaller. You're right that people are toxic in more than just in the anoncomms. All that means is that they're toxic on the anoncomms and on plurk and in game communications. That just means they're toxic everywhere.

The fact that you think rpers being entitled pissbabies is an inevitability and don't see anything wrong with it being an inevitability is exactly what's wrong. It doesn't have to be an inevitability. People have control over it being an inevitability because they have control over their own actions. They can keep it from being an inevitability by just not behaving like children.

I may not be good mod material but there's hardly any other mod material left. There aren't many people lining up behind me to create a sex game or any games at all. The more whiny and entitled dwrpers are, the less people will mod, because modding is entirely optional. They can go ahead and keep making that inevitable but that just means they won't get games now.

you think this is toxic? honest question here. we as a community have calmed way the fuck down in relation to toxicity and aggression since people have routinely been called out and had to deal with consequences for their actions. look at wankgate. rules have been instituted. how often do namedrops even actually happen over there anymore. people come here to try to be spammy fucks and even that's getting turned down. the ~toxicity of rp has lessened dramatically from the epic site dropping/home calling/life ruining that used to happen before. we're getting older. the amount of fucks we have to give has dropped.

i never said there wasn't anything wrong with the entitled asshole behavior, but people are people. if you think at any point you can float through life or work or even a hobby without running into a fucking tool, you're highly mistaken. none of this has gone into anything regarding namecalling until people started getting mad that there was contradictions in the idea thread. frankly, i'm surprised as fuck people are this salty over it when even recently in a lot of game idea threads, ideas have been picked apart with more vitriol and salt than 'nah, this is too eudio.'

if you want to look at today's players as whiny and entitled, you clearly haven't been here long enough to know what those words actually mean in reference to rpers. if you have, check yourself, because 'hey, i don't like this' isn't anywhere on the same level as second or kayvin or lock or jenn or any other number of genuine wankers that throw epic shitfits and chase people out of a game for 'reserve sniping' or putting an app in legitimately before their buttbuddy or whatever other bullshit is actually entitled shitbaby behavior.

like i've been saying this whole time, do what you want. op can do what they want. everyone can do what they want. people will join or they won't. but pointing out that 'hey, people likely aren't going to join this because it's kind of just like eudio' isn't entitled titfitting. this degree of defensiveness is ridiculous. i mean, have fun not making games? do what you want. there's new sex games that open frequently. they just don't take off because they're either same old, run by wankers, or badly put together. your game isn't/wasn't guaranteed to succeed just because you were going to make it, so stop with the 'look at what you did. now everyone's suffering because of you'.

you know why games are dying? because mods put work and effort into things and people hang off to see how it does before joining, hence no one joining and the game failing, or the game doesn't appeal to a wider audience and it stays tiny and closes. so the mods blame the players (and in the first scenario, they have every right to), and we go in this roundabout blame circle that gets no one anywhere.

Oh my god. Did you seriously just try to call me on being defensive and write that whole defensive essay? Nobody's saying criticism is bad but plenty of people in this thread were able to point out problems or give suggestions politely. Some of the others were whiny, entitled, kink-pushy, or salty in how they said it and there's no reason they couldn't have done it as politely as the others. Just because they weren't as bad as the most toxic wankers in RP doesn't mean they were good about it.

Games are dying because people don't join up right away but games aren't being made in the first place because lots of people in the hobby are annoying to deal with on a regular basis and just aren't worth making them for. They don't need to be big name wankers to be that way. They just have to be the low grade toxic types that blame everyone else for being offended when they word everything they say horribly.

Ignoring all that, if you're the same anon that wrote that other angry essay, too, you really need to touch grass. Even if you're not and you only wrote this essay, you need to touch grass. You reek of overinvestment.

well gee, mom. i'm sorry i didn't sugar coat my suggestions/advice. i'll be sure to slather on the lotion so i don't get the hose again next time. none of the ones that i said were salty or kink pushy. sure, there were encouraging buttpatty ones (which isn't a bad thing, don't go putting words in my mouth), but i shouldn't have to coddle someone with a suggestion on an anon comm over a game they stated that they likely weren't going to make and might hand off to someone else. in which case, the aspect of them not even liking dubcon/noncon becomes irrelevant, since maybe whoever picks it up wouldn't mind and hey, there you go. the supposed mod got defensive over the ideas, which is fine, but they kept trying to justify it as a necessity, when it wasn't. it was just preference. don't say one thing and mean another. that's shitty mod communication and likely wouldn't go over well in a game anyway.

i really wish people would learn what things are. i use words to describe how i feel and what i mean. would you rather i just limit it to 'lmao w/e i do what i want no you'? articulation shouldn't be proof of overinvestment. it just means i have things to say and i'm saying them. like, wow. sorry for writing in a writing hobby on a comm about other people's writing. didn't mean to wear out your eyes.

if you want to keep thinking that's why games aren't being made, you go ahead. but games are still being made, and some of them even keep going on, contrary to your sensitivity to people not agreeing with you. and try using another word, because toxic isn't the right one. that's like trying to throw triggered and problematic around. it's an actual thing. don't water it down with 'i object to this, therefor it's toxic.'

or not. i'm just overinvested, after all. and a toxic tittybaby that isn't allowed an opinion because potential mods are marshmallows.

lol why are you so mad that your rape kink wasn't going to be included in one game

i know you're trolling, but i don't play dubcon/noncon. i wouldn't be against it, but it hasn't come up in any of the games/scenarios i've played beyond the fuck or die scenarios, and that's why i didn't like amat. some chars are good with dubcon/noncon. some aren't. but it's just logic. if you're going to let in a game you can play incest and other kinks in, drawing the line at dubcon/noncon is arbitrary. especially when it's attempted to be validated for no real reason when op could have just said from the start 'i don't like dubcon/noncon and don't want it in my game'. they hemmed and hawed and tried to make it seem like there was logic behind the choice when it was purely preferential before admitting they just didn't like it. start with that. be upfront with your goddamn preferences. don't jump through hoops to make it logical. preferences aren't always logical.

I do like and occasionally play dubcon/noncon and I get it: Whether someone's into diapers or fucking in a mermaid costume or likes nipple clamps or whatever is just this weird little - and honestly, private - detail about them that's no one's business but theirs and their partner(s).
Whether someone's a rapist? That's a big fucking deal with ic consequences if people learn of it.
And for a friendly, sex positive world literally fueled and protected by people getting their freak on? Do you really not see the difference between noncon and all other kinks for this scenario? Do you really not get why it doesn't fit the setting OP wanted to build?

And I wouldn't come down like that on OP for not articulating their reasoning very well, either; people are often bad at being able to articulate just why something feels off to them. They just know that it does.
Add in not wanting to make people feel like you're kinkshaming them and you get vague and sometimes illogical answers when a simple "I'm not really comfortable with noncon oocly so I wanted to build a game with a premise resting on ic sex positivity and consent, hope you'll find a game that fits your kinks, though, anon!" would have sufficed.

not really, no. because they want it to be eudio, but with allowances for conflict and negative consequences. what i'm trying to say isn't that it should be all rape all the time, because i don't like that and i don't join games like that. but the allowance for it shouldn't have been outlawed just because it's a consensual sex game. only the consensual part would apply towards making the energy or going towards the fix for the planet, but just outlawing all together the possibility of it when you can have other kinks and also negative cr/fights/VORE (with consent), it just becomes an 'okay, but why not this single one?'

fwiw, non-smut games that allow smut have on occasion had dubcon/noncon scenarios. it's not frequent. it's not in anyone's face. it's locked and warned for. the allowance of it doesn't take over the game and make it Rape-City. people generally play out dubcon/noncon IN GAMES with a little fucking taste, just like they play out most kinks/triggery subject matter with taste. there's a difference in a game that forces rape all the time (fuck or die/fuck or we're tweaking your brain and making you fuck) and a game that you join with consent where bad things can happen and dubcon/noncon might be one of those. the likelihood of it being played out often would be slim to none, and anyone that does play out triggery kinks distastefully usually get warned then booted. they're the type to be like that regardless of the kink. 'let me put up a network post of me using this girl as a slave and fucking her live on air to piss someone else off'. but hey, it's consensual, so that would fly in this game. same with underage (and while they could say no to pedos, what about 16/17 year olds? unless they make it an 18+ game, you're going to have underage sex. and expect to hear people bitching about, 'but my whole canon is 16/17').

like i said, i don't play it, haven't really been able to in a game (because it's not a fit for my chars), but i'm not against the idea of dubcon with aphros or weird scenarios like that. as long as players are cool with it, the posts are locked/warned for, it shouldn't matter. just like incest with warnings or scat with warnings. or look, i'm fucking a werewolf in werewolf form and being knotted with warnings. and while rl rape is terrible and not a kink, roleplaying it is (even in rl scenarios between consenting parties).

You're talking more about OOC preferences towards kinks. Mod and up-thread anon are talking about attempting to rule out OOC kink preferences in a world where the IC consequences (whether via including aphros or simply by predilections of the character) would not only not jive with the setting that mod is trying to build, but might derail the action, should those behaviours get caught out.

Ia about allowing various kinks in a smut game being a generally nice premise, and tbh the idea of another smut game fuelling/fuelled by gods etc. doesn't strike my fancy... but I can see the merit of trying to build a world in which aphros aren't used as artificial icebreakers. Surely there's another way to build connections and smutty relationships that doesn't break OOC boundaries with characters and doesn't involve the game forcing them to get in the groove against their will?

You really don't?

Fine. You gotta room with either a foot fetishist or a rapist. Pick.

That's the ic difference (wah, wah, the other characters wouldn't have to, like, know. Yeah, but the players would, so the narrative turns from rooming with Todd, to rooming with Todd, who rapes people, possibly people I know and care about, without my knowing. Something I'd play tbh. But not in a happy cuddle-sex-game. And I don't blame people who wouldn't want to play it at all, anywhere, either).

OOCly, the potential mod not being comfortable with it, along with, what I'm guessing, is a small but not insubstantial minority of rpers and an even bigger group of us who don't mind consent-only is really plenty reason enough on its own to make a game without noncon.

>people generally play out dubcon/noncon IN GAMES with a little fucking taste

Yes, I know. I play noncon. And?

>there's a difference in a game that forces rape all the time [...] and a game that you join with consent where bad things can happen and dubcon/noncon might be one of those

Yes. And neither are games the Op is interested in modding or people squicked/legit triggered (as in diagnosed with actual ptsd) by rape want to play in, so... your point?

>and expect to hear people bitching about, 'but my whole canon is 16/17'

Lots of games have been or are 18+ for player and characters both. If people want to embarrass themselves by bitching about it, they're welcome to, I guess. But honestly, I haven't seen too many players keen on pitching a fit about 18+ rules, especially since for most canons, you can just age characters up by a year or two without problem.

>rl rape is terrible and not a kink, roleplaying it is (even in rl scenarios between consenting parties)

I'm aware. As is, I believe, everyone else here. That still doesn't mean every game in existence has to cater to/allow that specific kink.

Seriously, I'm mad. When people complained about noncon sex games, I was first in line to tell them to let people have their fun and to make their own games without rape-play or fuck-or-die if it bothered them. Now they do, and they get whined at, sniped at and argued with by people like you who seemingly can't fathom the idea that people want to play smut in a magical adventure-land while fighting for light, love and peace for all without dealing with motherfucking rape. Not as a threat, not as a possibility, not as something that happened to someone else, whether you know it or not.
And that they are fucking entitled to fucking do that if they fucking want to.

>it shouldn't matter

That's NOT your call.

and i never once said it was. you're very quick to jump from someone suggesting and possibly making an argument for something to forcing someone to do something. i've said multiple times in this that if they or anyone wants to do something for whatever reason, just be upfront with the whys. no one expects 'i was molested once so no' as an actual reason. all you need is 'i don't like it.' my overall nitpickiness comes from trying to validate it beyond preference when the attempts to do so don't actually line up. that's it. they even conceded to leaving out the goddess option because in the end, it was preference over validity. just be upfront with it.

outside of that, it was mostly just pointing out that you can do what you want, but there's already a consensual game all about consent that's available. that you can play kinks in. just not dubcon/noncon. which is what this is shaping up to be and that's why i pointed it out.

goddamn, you all are so salty for wank and being righteous over shit. take a breather.

> my overall nitpickiness comes from trying to validate it beyond preference

So do you not get how presumptuous and tone-deaf that is, or..?

> because in the end, it was preference over validity

Ho-ly fuck. Asked and answered.

You know, I read OP's original post and her replies again and I don't see someone being unclear about her intentions at all.
In fact, what I see is someone very politely making it clear what they want:

Quoting from her second post(http://rpanons.dreamwidth.org/66429.html?thread=207687037#cmt207687037)

>As for the rest, personally I don't have issues with noncon in general as a kink, but I'd like it to have a game vibe where characters feel safe on the sexual end of things because the only threat is the monsters.

>The game would be meant more for the latter [Characters who would leave if they thought drugs and/or coercion were involved]. If some characters don't fit, there are fortunately other options of sex games out there with different setups. Right now, though, there don't seem to be many cuddle/consent-based games with sources of conflict.

[bolding mine]

That's really fucking upfront, unless you're the type of person who mistakes manners for weaknesses that can be used to wheedle and argue your way into getting what you're after.

Oh, and for fun, you wrote:
>outside of that, it was mostly just pointing out that you can do what you want, but there's already a consensual game all about consent that's available. that you can play kinks in. just not dubcon/noncon. which is what this is shaping up to be and that's why i pointed it out.

From the same post I linked, from OP:

>instead of using aphros I'd have it be like Eudio

But thanks for pointing out the obvious. As for what this game was "shaping up to be", go read the premise again, with a bit less of a boner for what you want it to be instead of what it is. Here, I'll even help you, from the OP:

>tl;dr summary

- a fantasy (science fantasy?) consent-based game with lots of SOL and a little conflict, where characters fight the occasional monster attack with their emoooshuns.

congratulations on outdoing me with essays.

and none of that actually counted for what i was saying. your reading comprehension is terrible. please quit while you're ahead.

oh sweetie I know, you're so misunderstood.
It's your genius, it blinds people. You're like Sherlock that way.

It's not your fault.

Kinda hoping we'll get "preference over validity" for next post title though. It would be so sad if you were cheated out of both top title and sex pollen in the same month.

How does it not matter? You said you wanted the OP to just say they didn't want noncon in their game as a preference. That's what OP said.

that anon up there with a head-wall-banging fetish

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...after reading this I want to play in this potential game more, actually. Well put.

you're right. the last time i tried to make a game a while back and specifically tried to cater to anon complaints about what games were lacking it flopped. the community hasn't gotten any better.

i've wanted to make a hardcore kink sandbox game to replace coa too but it really feels like it's not worth the work of putting a game together only for it it to get torn apart by nitpicky assholes who ultimately won't even join the game if i do change things to make them happy.

I'd say that if you wanted to build that, it'd be better just to build it up, and then answer questions with that particular mod-hat firm but generally friendly voice that the successful ones manage, regardless of the vitriol. Haters seem to really hate on sex games these days. We're backsliding to the days of LJ all over again, but with more elderly apathy in the mix.

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