rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2016-06-13 06:38 pm

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
if you don't say flat-out you're not interested in dubcon/noncon you don't have any room to whine when this happens

what part of "people aren't mind readers" is so hard to understand in this hobby?

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
because rapekink shouldn't be something that defaults to ok? are you fucking kidding me?

you're right, people aren't mindreaders, but holy shit, you should not just assume strangers are okay with rape scenarios, you mental midget

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
jesus christ

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
did i say strangers or anyone should be okay with rape scenarios? way to jump to conclusions as you do, rapenon

if ayrt's partner is fishing for rape, they're in the wrong. but ayrt is also in the wrong for doing the exact same thing -- not stating what they're after right out the gate

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
if they said they were after smut (and from the sound of it made it pretty clear it was going to be consensual), no they're not in the wrong for some fucking walnut assuming that meant a rape scenario was a-okay without asking first.

people who want to play this shit need to be asking others first. period.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
they said flat-out they don't have a permissions post and they never said no noncon-dubcon

you can feel however you want to feel about noncon/dubcon, but if you don't make your feelings known (on your actual journal, not on anon spaces) no one is going to know

so yeah, it's her fault too. you having a hardon for dubcon/noncon players doesn't change that both players in this made the same mistake

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
what part of "someone who wants to play rape needs to ask first" because it's fucking rape do you not understand?

it doesn't matter if OP had a permission post or kink list or whatever. hell, it wouldn't even matter if they hadn't already established there was going to be mutual attraction, as they've said multiple times in this thread, the onus is still on you to ask first because it's fucking rape you artist.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
what part of "that's not the point being debated here" don't you understand?

something's not clicking in your skull. i haven't said once that op's partner is right. that's purely assumption on your part (ironically).

what i'm saying is that they need to be upfront too. dwrp is always a two-way street, even in instances like this. if you, me or anyone else doesn't make our desires clear, then we don't have any room to complain when other people come along wanting to play something we haven't yet said no to (or rather we can complain, but it doesn't amount to more than a hill of beans)

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
they said flat-out they don't have a permissions post and they never said no noncon-dubcon

they never said yes either. that's pretty fucking important to playing any kink. not saying "no" does not automatically equal a "yes".

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
No, it doesn't. And if their partner had sprung rape on them, I'd be right in the crowd with you tarring and feathering them

but they haven't. this isn't kayvin with his predatory lesbians or selwyn dropping trou and flat-out begging for rapecock. this is, until we get proof to the contrary, two rpers misfiring on each other. maybe op's partner wants rape. maybe they don't. maybe they don't even want smut

the point is, if both players were communicating none of this would be a problem. both, not just op and not just mystery partnernon.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
op shouldn't have to be the first one to say "by the way, I don't want to play noncon/dubcon". given the nature of the kink, the responsibility to ask is on OP's partner, not them. you don't just assume someone is okay with any kink until they say otherwise. and no, consensual sex does not count as a kink that needs to be asked about first. they are two completely different worlds and your attempts to conflate them come of as disingenuous, and dare I assume, projecting.

basically, you need to pick a position, either noncon/dubcon is a default or it's not, you can't play this devil's advocate "both sides are wrong" nonsense with a topic like this.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
okay i see what's going on. you're talking about this very specific situation op brought. in which case, yes, it is conjecture on our part to assume that their partner is pushing for noncon/dubcon without communicating as such beforehand. i was reading this portion of the discussion on more general terms, as in when it actually is being forced on someone, and not just as one of a variety of potential reasons for the way in which op's partner is playing.

i do agree that op should be communicating with their partner instead of us. all we can do is speculate. actually, everyone should fucking communicate. can we get that on a t-shirt? "have you communicated with your rp partner today?"

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
this just shows why the anon is into rape kink. apparently they think that a lack of no means yes.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
look. even putting aside whether rape kink "should" be default or not, i wouldn't want to play with anyone who treated it as such. you know why? because of threads like this.

if you're into rape kink, that's totally fine, but if you lack the foresight to realize that some people are going to throw shitfits about it or may even be legitimately triggered by it (it does happen), i don't want to play with you, because that shows a SERIOUS lack of ability to see beyond what gets you hot.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
i feel like dubcon/noncon should be a thing you ask for, not assume.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
EVERYTHING should be asked for rather than assumed

that's why both players are wrong here, op also assumed (a more socially acceptable assumption, but still an assumption)

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
op here and i thought it was a pretty fair assumption to make, considering i've already said we discussed it a few times and every chat made it sound like there would be mutual attraction and consensual hooking up

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
you're right, op. it IS a pretty fair assumption

but it's still an assumption

just message them. no one else can tell you what they want out of a scene but them.

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
i don't see how i'm unreasonable here, but okay, shame on me for assuming a scene would have elements in it that we specifically discussed being there

and also as i already said, we will be having a talk about our threads

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
i don't see why you just haven't put up a permissions post yet. as someone else said, even that master has done it

i'm not trying to shame you or anything like that, but i am still aware that i've only got one side of the story here. why you brought this to rpa instead of just asking them i can't even begin to imagine

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
you mean the OP assumed their partner wouldn't spring a rape scenario on them without asking first? truly they are the devil itself.

Re: dda

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
op is right above, so why not ask them if their mysterious partner sprung a rape scenario on them during any of their multiple scenes?

i think if they did we'd be hearing about it

Re: dda

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
if the other player won't let their character into a smut situation without coercion of somekind, that's springing a rape scenario.

are you the OP's partner? you are super defensive about this.

Re: dda

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
no, that's your assumption (and i'm starting to wonder if you're autistic with this kind of super-simplistic black and white thinking)

we get it. you hate dubcon and noncon. good for you. that doesn't mean you have any less of an obligation to be upfront about what you do and don't want than those icky sticky dubcon/noncon players

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
because unlikely the kinks themselves, consent to playing them is pretty much essential