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sorry that people are sick of your majestic mcus

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+1 and idk why this is so hard to accept

no one said you can't like rwby or whatever other canon. but the fact of the matter is much of the fandom was alienated by INCREDIBLY poor writing decisions and they even completely tanked certain characters for no logical reason at all (cough ironwood cough)

all this hyperdefensiveness is a huge turn-off to a potential player. not really a way convince someone to play from your canon tbh.

ironwood has been a fascist since season 2

I was surprised how many people forgot or didn't pick up on that. It ain't subtle.

a lot of the best plot beats in rwby are very slowburn, which means that people with bad memories, and of course people who gave up in earlier seasons, are blindsided by "shocking" and illogical writing decisions that actually aren't that shocking or illogical.

the nature of the project during its early years guaranteed that there would be a lot of writing stumbles, and yeah there sure are a lot of those, but ironwood's arc ain't one of them.

i truly and honestly don't know what else to tell you. many, many people i know who once loved the show are shaking their heads at it now. it's not all coming from trolls or assholes who hated it all along. it has taken a definitive downturn and that's not an unpopular opinion.

the point is moot anyway because lol if you think op is touching this now. chasing someone off because you refuse to concede the show MIGHT have a consistency issue = bad look. nobody even said it was the very worst ever but damn if y'all aren't making it seem that way.

"there are a lot of writing stumbles"
"you refuse to concede consistency issues!!!"

okie

imo the entire series, writing included, has vastly improved in seasons 6-8 though it isn't without continuing issues. this also isn't an unpopular opinion. i'm not sure what kind of reaction y'all want to elicit from "lmao OP isn't touching it now lmao lmao" like, i'm not ashamed of politely disagreeing with you.

it's especially funny when on this post someone's asking about getting into Fate, which has been subjected to way worse arguments of whether it's shit or not than RWBY ever has or will be

if it pings op, they'll probably look into it further, if not they won't, it's that simple

genuine question, is there a vid or write-up or something that motivates this take? because i've only seen them for the opposite, that ironwood was never a fascist until they had to make him one to give him tension with the main cast

I don't know of any essay that someone might have written up, but off the top of my head here are the warning signs from earlier seasons.

In season 2, he shows up to a festival/tournament that celebrates an armistice agreement (for a war his country started) with a full military fleet without warning anyone ahead of time that he's going to.

In season 3, he meddles with the politics of a foreign country to go over the head of another character (who's supposed to be a close friend and ally of his) to try to implement policies Ironwood thinks is right.

In season 4, he closes his country's borders and stops all exports of an important resource. He does this without getting approval from the other people in his country's ruling council.

He's not around in seasons 5 or 7.

In season 7 it becomes clear that his decision to close the borders and ban exports is causing a lot of grief and tension for the working class in his country. He also reroutes valuable resources that could help the city to an important secret project without explaining why, orders a political rival arrested, and bans public gatherings. At the end of the season he declares martial law and tries to have the main characters arrested for defying him. Season 8 is all about him escalating his behavior further and further to try to control the situation.

A lot of Ironwood stans argue that because he had good intentions in doing all of this him being such a monster in the last season is unreasonable, but that's always been the entire point of his character. He's someone that's willing to go to unreasonable extremes to do what's 'right', but he won't listen to any input about what counts as the right thing to do or what the best way to achieve it is.

To reiterate, his very first scene in the series is him showing up with his military fleet, his allies telling him why it's a bad idea, and Ironwood blowing them off because he thinks he's right. Anyone that thinks the tracks for this weren't laid from the start wasn't paying attention.

Now watch as anon upthread runs in to call you overdefensive for having a basic understanding of your canon.

I make the frequent mistake of engaging with the fandom of Tumblr and Twitter so I'm used to weird overreactions about Ironwood. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ He's one of my favorite characters and I think he's one of the best written in the series! But some people just can't accept that he was always meant to be morally gray at best and get very angry if you point that out.

why do you keep responding with more and more of this NEENER NEENER bullshit

congrats, op isn't going to touch RWBY now, if that was your intention then good job i guess

i wouldn't be surprised since apparently "hey i disagree but i don't think this is the place to talk about it" is overdefensive white knighting

i get that a lot of people don't like rwby and they want to make sure we all know about it, but this was a really inappropriate place to barge in with made-up stuff about how they're not wlw really and people only rp the men. especially when OP already mentioned some actual flaws in the initial rec.

I don't really agree that the LGBTQ rep is forced or that people only play the dudes either, but this probably wouldn't have gotten so inflammatory if there weren't multiple comments insisting that it was wrong to bring up the fact the writing (and the show) isn't for everyone.

Because yeah, sorry to say it, but that does come across as defensive. RWBY has some solid strengths. Stellar writing is not one of them.

i don't see those comments, or at least i don't read them that way. i still think this wasn't the place.

But someone did read them that way, though, and I have to agree that OP is unlikely to pick up a character now. So I guess everyone loses.

+1 all of this. "ironwood is morally grey" is a plot beat that was set up from his very first appearance. he always hoarded power for the greater good and was always presented as a character who overreacts to threats to both his safety and his authority as a fundamental aspect of his personality. throw in his obvious PTSD after Beacon, and... well.

to other anon, sorry i don't have any vids or essays to link. i don't engage with that stuff because i find most of them espouse deliberately controversial takes for views and they tend to put them out very quickly after a divisive season or episode airs, before those slowburn beats actually come to fruition over many seasons. in the long run they are actually not very good analyses of the writing, imo.

(which i agree IS flawed in many ways, just to reiterate.)

i don't engage with that stuff because i find most of them espouse deliberately controversial takes for views and they tend to put them out very quickly after a divisive season or episode airs, before those slowburn beats actually come to fruition over many seasons. in the long run they are actually not very good analyses of the writing, imo.

I feel this way about these types of videos in general. You're a good person, Ironwood Anon

i am both flattered and offended!!!

ayrt

thanks! this was great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnKj59v_DcE this isn't a video essay so much as just showing all the scenes laying out the ironwood plot since season 2.

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