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hell consentplay is one of the squares

that would be good if someone else than the know-it-all from above said it. they're just mad that not everyone worships them and it shows.

What Japanese homosexuals want isn't a gay character in a video game, they want acceptance. In Japan being different is not viewed as a good thing, and people will get ostracized for much smaller differences than their sexuality.

As seen worldwide, normalizing homosexuality in people's minds and creating an accepting mindset does involve use of media to make people aware and understand. The problem is the stereotype of the 'strange/wacky creative type' Japanese media often portrays homosexual men as. Some gay men embrace that, but fact is it's not overall accurate. If you are out you are either ostracized or treated as a walking joke.

So yes, media representation is important, but it has to be the right kind. Persona doesn't have a good track record with treating the concept of homosexuality as anything but a gag reel.

where did any of their posts imply they were "mad that not everyone worships them and it shows."

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/651fdm/overdrive_discusses_plans_for_new_final_project/

R.I.P. Overdrive

I love the premise of this game, but my issue is it's just too small for me to be really sure I'll fit there. I'm canonblind to a vast majority of the characters, so I don't know if the character I'd app would have sexual chemistry with anyone. In a non-smut game it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but with a smut game the lack of options can get really stifling when it comes to actually playing smut. Especially because this game has a non-standard application (meaning I'd be writing most of it from scratch), I don't want to end up app-dropping due to a lack of smut partners.

Going by the test drive meme alone though, it does look like you have some really reliable and consistent taggers, which is great. I've known a few sex games with a severe thread dropping problem.

(In terms of people forgetting about it, I very rarely see it advertised and it seems under-the-radar in general. If the current players and mods like having a small game, that's cool, but it might get more interest if it's advertised more.)

you think that based on what exactly?

representation is a MUCH BIGGER part of western lgbt sociopolitics than it is in japan

that doesn't mean that it's not an issue to anyone in japan ever at all, but it does mean that the political landscape looks very different than it does in the west

if you actually have the knowledge on the subject that you claim to, then you would stop trying to undercut someone who is trying to make the point that the differences between lgbt politics in america and japan matter, not trying to insist that americans should never be challenged on their culturally narcissistic confirmation biases

the way local communities treat lgbt politics and the politics of representation are significantly different between the two countries. trying to shout people down for raising the issue of difference is just another arm of western narcissism

I feel this extra hard, anon.

have you become ic since

I'm not saying you're wrong, but your argument would be helped a lot more if you gave examples and explained where those differences lay and what their impact is socially and politically.

Anons like the one above you have given some good points, but you haven't really said anything besides "it's different because it's different".

Representation and depiction matter a lot it any LGBT politics across the board. Normalizing something that is seen as otherwise taboo is essential to encouraging change anywhere. And the way it is depicted on top of that matters as well. For example, m/m is typically represented as something that only exists for the female-fujo gaze and is fetishizing. On the other side of the coin, we have Persona showing their only gay characters as effeminate predators who force themselves on young underage boys.

So it's not that there is no "representation" of gay characters, but the way they're portrayed is a big influence over ignorance.

Cultural relativity aside, I think it's important to consider these points. There's a way to bring up cultural differences without using it as a reason to denounce legitimate concerns. Lol.

i'm new to the thread and that was my first comment actually, but one example you could look at as a place to start is the magazine barazoku which ran from 1971-2008 (very good article here if you're interested http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue12/aoki.html)

the thing to understand about the magazine is that while it was written for gay men to help fight against their sense of isolation by producing a "sense of solidarity," this was not a western gay liberation-style notion of political solidarity. there was no "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" and no sense that gaining representation in mainstream media was what anyone wanted or needed or should be fighting for. instead the goal was to produce a magazine for a niche minority audience who was not trying to change its minority status

when the magazine shut down in 2008, one of the reasons was that by then (and now) the "gay community" was being sold to, and seeing itself through, very segmented and separate types--it wasn't a matter of gay people together, but instead very separate notions of types of bodies, aesthetics, styles. this really isn't reducible to western categories of twinks, bears, otters, etc, where people might consume one type of porn or date men of a specific look but still have the notion that gay politics are gay politics which unite everyone

and in part that's because in japan politics are much less liberationist and much more assimilationist than they are now in the west. while we in the west now hear people constantly talking about things like how there should be gay characters in kids shows like steven universe or whatever, and holding this attitude that positive representation in mainstream media will reduce discrimination and make gay people grow up better able to love themselves, within japan people aren't looking to the mainstream media to do that.

l, g, b, and t people each (and generally not as a consolidated group) want some media that's for them. if it's quiet and they can access it privately then all the better, because people much more often tend to see their sexuality as a private matter, so being discrete is of paramount importance.

congratulations on your american conceit

I'm not even american.

anon are you seriously trying to shame me for my writing from 10 years ago...

I'm sure you were god's gift to rp when you were 15, too.

i can.

people have a habit of pretending not to understand basic shit when it comes to tumblr, just so they can be all "hohohohooo, those silly tumblrinas!"

So yes, media representation is important, but it has to be the right kind.

what do you mean with "the right kind", tho? i ask because in my fandom experience, more often that not that means "i want pure, perfect gay cinnamon rolls! HOW DARE YOU GIVE THEM FLAWS, YOU'RE HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!11111"

if you actually have the knowledge on the subject that you claim to, then you would stop trying to undercut someone who is trying to make the point that the differences between lgbt politics in america and japan matter, not trying to insist that americans should never be challenged on their culturally narcissistic confirmation biases

yeah, thanks for pointing out what bothers me so much with them. they seem to be doing this for ego trips and their bitchy behavior when they don't get asspats doesn't help.

doesn't make you less stupid.

http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=spectralgryphon

Well, they found this beautiful creature. It's in Stormwind, making it absurdly hard for a Horde hunter to get at it.

I am a goddamn pillar of salt right now.

pretty sure that means don't treat them as a gay people as a joke because of their sexual orientation. in other words, don't do what persona 5 did.

wonder if my rp partner will get offended if i play with someone else who plays their character...

im just really thirsty and theyre really slow sometimes

Do you live in America or have any knowledge about Japan beyond the animangayidya consumption?

*vidya

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