rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2012-03-18 12:48 pm

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
If I see one more person claim that anon mods removes mod bias...

It doesn't. It really, really doesn't. Mods are going to have their preferences and biases regardless. All it does it make mod bias more difficult to identify. Players sure are being well served by that!
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[personal profile] recombine 2012-03-19 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
Well, as an anon mod who's about to open a game, I'm going to go ahead and express my opinion on this. Which you are completely entitled to disagree with, and I'm hardly the ultimate authority on All Things RP, disclaimer disclaimer blah blah blah.

I have run into problems before where players feel entitled to special treatment because they know a mod from somewhere before, or where they claim bias because a mod plays more with her friends than other people. But, as an anon mod, I will deal with friends as harshly or nicely as I deal with acquaintances and strangers, and I will not have to face personal consequences as a result.

So players won't have to worry about me nudging things to help my friendships along. They don't have to worry about me having mood swings or bad days. They will hold me accountable as a mod for everything I say or do as a mod, and that's the way it should be.

Separating the roles of player and mod is a relief, frankly, and I think I will be both a better player and a better mod for it.

Yeah, so, that's my point of view. Feel free to profoundly disagree.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
I profoundly disagree and in fact it was your rules page which prompted this posting. It also made me roll my eyes and close the tab because I have no patience for this line of responsibility-dodging.

You are going to have your biases regardless of whether you are publically identified or not. In issues of player conflict you're going to be more likely to trust people you already know and like. Even though they won't know who you are, it'll still be hard not to feel like you're letting your friends down when you rule against them. That's because you're still human. You may be able to divorce your public personas, but you can't divide your brain. You know how most anonmods get found out? Because people spot the bias and triangulate.

By retreating behind anon you're not avoiding being biased, you're avoiding having to deal with the issue and perception of mod bias, by making it more difficult for your players to track it. It's ducking responsibility on the issue and I don't have patience for it.
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[personal profile] recombine 2012-03-19 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's valid. And I absolutely believe that if there is bias, if we fuck something up, if we make decisions that aren't the right ones, that it'll come out in the wash. That the game will fail, or explode in wank because of it.

I'm willing to take the chance that I can be that good of a person. Sure, I'm human, I make mistakes. But this isn't my first time around the block, and I think I can give it a good try.

As such, in a few months, if the game collapses on itself, you can feel free to say I told you so.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
And you're exactly why anonmods exist. You sound like a pretentious and entitled piece of shit right here.

I can see why people might want to anon mod, and that mod up there said it: people act entitled when they know their friends are mods. They unconsciously expect an easier time being buddy-buddy with mods. But if you don't know if those mods are your friends are not, players aren't as likely to attack you personally for not giving them special goddamn treatment. That is my pet peeve as someone who has modded in the past, and actually why I quit modding--people attacking me personally with details about myself just because I made a decision they didn't like and they knew who I was. If they know no details about who is modding them, all they can do is bitch that something isn't fair and say why they think it's not fair, but they can't go, "OH, YOU'RE JUST MAKING THIS DECISION BECAUSE YOUR CAT DIED!" because they don't know a damn thing about the mod's personal life.

Also: witchesreign's past anonmods would like a word with you on being found out, they went over a year without anyone identifying them, and only the mods after them might possibly know their identity.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:03 am (UTC)(link)
It's not exactly difficult to deal with people whining about expecting special treatment. Just tell them to debate your decision on the merits or sit the fuck down.

Did I really need to spell that out as 'most anonmods who get found out'? Pretty obvious, brohan.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
nah, i knew who one of wr's anonymods was; i just never outed them

(tip for anonymods: don't accidentally copypaste parts of your conversations deliberating on apps into your "accepted/rejected/revisions" comments, especially if there is a name or username visible)

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
go outside

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
Fuck you, I need to sleep.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
Dude. A mod's only responsibility is to keep the game running, which means running events/plots/keeping lists up to date/apps/etc.

They do not need to be your buddy, PLUS your own argument just contradicted itself. Mod bias can't be both difficult to track AND easy enough to spot and triangulate. IMO, you just hate the thought of not knowing who your mods are. Which is okay! Just come out and say that instead of making a ridiculously contradictory argument.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
There's nothing contradictory about that. Unless 'more difficult' suddenly equates to 'impossible'.

It still occurs. It's still trackable. It just takes longer for the pattern to emerge because you don't have advance knowledge of the mod's relationships. Wow, that was hard to work out!

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I think mod bias will be spotted. The anoncomms we have today allow players to be really vocal when they're suspicious about things and eventually the bias would be visible or one of the biased players would slip.

Honestly, I appreciate anon mods because it keeps players from projecting bias onto the mods. If no one knows the mods characters, no one will be brown-nosing. I have seen too many instances of mod characters being put on a pedestal. Obviously any way of modding isn't without flaw, but I do prefer anon mods.

It also makes me slightly uncomfortable knowing when I'm ICly tagging with a mod's character. That's just my own preference, though.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, it'll be spotted. It just takes a while longer to come out.

The other problem with anon mods is you run the danger of suddenly finding out that your mod is some insane piece of shit like Ang or Stormy.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god Ang.

Oh god.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
LOL that was so long ago. Brings back memories.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Stormy was a mod? Or just an insane piece of shit?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Deets on Ang?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
From what I know she used to mod Paixao before a coup took it out from under her. Lots of bitterness about that. Started a bunch of other RPs, including Rivelata, but I don't think she stuck with any of them very long. Changed her identity a couple of times(?).

Haven't heard anything about her recently, maybe she's just vanished or gone totally undercover.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
My problem with anon mods is that there's...less personal responsibility, I guess? It's easier to flake off and just abandon the game without any personal repercussions, and open up a new one in a month without anyone knowing you're a shit mod.

And I'd also be really embarrassed if I made a close personal friend who I vented about the game to at times, and then found out they were a mod. I am friends with mods at one game I play, and I never vent to them because it just seems obnoxious to do so.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
All of this. Anonymodding just seems like a convenient way for the people behind the mod account to duck responsibilities. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I'd like to know who's running the ship so I can decide for myself if the game looks like it'll die within a month or turn into a cliquey circlejerk or have a shot at being something awesome. Also, yeah... not knowing who the mods are just means people who would normally vent to a gamemate in private will probably take it here or to anticirclejerk.

I don't think I'd ever join a game with mods I can't see. For all we know, they could be one of the prizewinners from Caligo.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
I personally don't mind anonymods, because I figure it's about the same chance of good/bad mod as you get with mods you've never heard of. Equal chance of turning out batshit crazy or excellent. I can understand being wary of investing in a game like that, but it doesn't seem more or less dangerous than non-anon mods to me in that sense.

As for venting to gamemates, just go to ones you've known for a while or ones you trust. Either way, if they're not actually batshit mods and you're not exploding all over everything I don't really see anything to worry about.

Though, I guess most people would find that a hassle. To each their own.

+1

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
And I'd also be really embarrassed if I made a close personal friend who I vented about the game to at times, and then found out they were a mod. I am friends with mods at one game I play, and I never vent to them because it just seems obnoxious to do so.

If they're a good mod, they won't care that you're just venting.

Re: Do you have any disabilities or disfigurements?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm an anony mod myself(granted, of a Dressing room so this might not fully count), and the only reason I'm anon is because I just haven't said who I am. I'm not actively hiding it, but I don't have to do many modly type things anyway so it just never comes up.

I don't have any OOC rp friends anyway, so it's not to avoid bias. In the case of a game setting it just really depends for me - if they are modding in a fair manner, then I don't care. If they're being assholes, then I want to know. I'm not usually too fussed about it either way, though.

Re: Do you have any disabilities or disfigurements?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
did you know that you're supposed to put a space before you start a set of parenthesis

is that so fucking hard. IS GRAMMAR SO FUCKING HARD?

"I'm an anony mod myself (granted, of a Dressing room)"

it's also only men who do this because only men are apparently this completely retarded. so thanks for the clue, dipstick

(Anonymous) 2012-03-20 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw, did you know that it's not that big of a deal?

I mean, DID YOU KNOW?

OH MY SHITTING FUCKING CHRIST.

YOU NOW KNOW.

*FUCKING CONFETTI AND SHIT*

now shut your fucking face, asswipe.