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Re: LIFEAFTR

[(Anonymous)]

a mass exodus of people stating specifically that they're dropping because of mod behavior would be amazing, and probably drive the point home to the mods better than anything else would

it might force their hand in actually acknowledging they acted like shit

Re: LIFEAFTR

[(Anonymous)]

exactly.

even if they stamp their feet and act like they're the victims, it will still send a message about who they really are to people who deserve to know.

[(Anonymous)]

this is not going to happen because they have been amazing and thoughtful mods to their actual playerbase. they've handled issues privately, among the people that were involved, because... that's the adult, responsible thing to do.

they (or in this case, zero) have acknowledged that they handled this particular instance badly and if that player ever chooses to be in contact with them they would offer a sincere apology. what are the people who are circulating this now, with socks and on anon, actually trying to achieve here?

[(Anonymous)]

they only admitted that after caps were released and people confronted them, so it seems like something was achieved after all. as for the plurk going around right now, i'd say awareness and transparency are the motives. even the sock anons aren't really calling for a witch hunt, they're just stating the facts and making people aware, especially since there's a new game in the works.

[(Anonymous)]

well yes, because a mod team talking publicly about this private interaction that they had would be pretty unprofessional??? if the player had wanted a public conversation about how that was handled, they could have asked the mods to make it public. their response in this instance was definitely badly handled, and i'm not against having someone impartial look at interactions like that if the parties need reassurance or criticism...

but the way in which this was done in order to assure that these mods can never be allowed to run or participate in a game again without harassment really stinks to high heavens.

[(Anonymous)]

it's unprofessional to talk about in depth of, say, a warranted ban where a player comes to a modteam about harassment and speaks to them about that harassment privately. couching this incident, which was pushing a player out of their game under the pretense of concern as professionalism is disingenuous

maybe they shouldn't be blacklisted from games or playing, but people have the right to know about this if one of the people involved in this is planning to mod another game

[(Anonymous)]

this incident was not handled professionally because the mods were too personally affected, i agree. perhaps it would have been more professional to say "we're concerned we can't treat you impartially because of your associations so we ask that you don't app", though someone would have wanked on that too i'm sure. there was no graceful way out of this particular, incredibly specific situation. making this conversation public would still have been unprofessional on top of all that.

i understand that people would like to know who their mods are, but this incident that happened under very specific circumstances involving their abuser (granted, by association, and this is a mess) is being treated as though it's a comprehensive view of how these mods treat their playerbase. if a random player wants to know how these mods run a game, they could ask people who were in LA.

[(Anonymous)]

it does not at all sound like this as an isolated situation, according to what's being said.

there's also a fair amount of people saying the "abuser" in question didn't abuse them at all, and instead was labeled as such simply because they were critical of their behavior.

now you can either choose to believe all that or not, i don't have any evidence for you, but there even if none of that's true, the answer to "should we have done this?" should always be "no". it does not matter what was going in in their heads. it shouldn't have happened. if they can't say that, then that's a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

what is being said? by who? i've not seen any examples of that, only the vague "this wasn't the first time" stuff. maybe they had a tendency to go talk to one person as a pack and that can come off badly for sure, but that's not in and of itself abuse and it's not going to matter if only one of them wants to mod another game.

there's a fair amount of people on both sides of the abuser story, so that's kind of a wash if we're truly trying to look at this impartially.

both zero and angel have said that they should not have handled it this way. i don't believe they shouldn't have said anything at all to the person, as mods also have a right to not be uncomfortable in their game. as i said, i don't think there was a good way to handle this at all, and perhaps that was actually the intent of the person recommending the player in the end. at this point everyone seems to agree it was handled badly, so i'm still not sure what else there is to say on the matter.

[(Anonymous)]

"should not have handled it this way" does not mean "shouldn't have done it at all"

it's not an apology. it's digging for excuses. i'm not satisfied with this. no one should be.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

no way i'm touching any of their games with a 10 foot pole

da

[(Anonymous)]

>"i don't believe they shouldn't have said anything at all to the person, as mods also have a right to not be uncomfortable in their game"

okay, no, fuck that, full stop. i am saying this as someone who has modded and been in an "uncomfortable" situation, you do not, under any circumstances, dump your drama on someone who you have zero proof even knows what's fucking going on.

they should have said nothing. keep an eye on the situation? sure. scrutinize for your sake. but they never should have dumped that on the new player. period. there is zero excuse for that and i'm astounded there are people who think this is somehow justified.

[(Anonymous)]

the person that the mod team were shook over wasn't an abuser, they accused Zero and co OF abuse

quit trying to change the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

the mods have been embellishing this story for almost three years now and rewriting history until it goes from 'zero was called out on being abusive' to 'the player was the abuser of sooooo many people'

[(Anonymous)]

The mods can't even keep their story straight: https://www.plurk.com/p/nv14gp

What happened to "I would never force a player out abloo bloo"?

[(Anonymous)]

do you have deets on this, it's driving me nuts that no one will talk about it

[(Anonymous)]

I dont, but the mods even admit to their victim in the caps that Dawn accused them of abuse.

Now they're changing their story

[(Anonymous)]

i think it's important to remember that the player was brand new to DWRP when considering what they "could've done". also, we don't know who finally leaked the caps, and it could very well actually be them or a confidant.

[(Anonymous)]

it was likely the player due to them posting a plurk that had all the mod discussion caps in it and they were asking their plurklist if it was a 'is this just me?' scenario. they leaked the mod caps first, but it's debatable as to who leaked this instance.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the player gave the deets to someone else. They said they didn't know this was going on in the deets replurk.

[(Anonymous)]

zero said they handled the situation badly but couldn't answer when asked what they would have done differently.

if they still can't say "i wouldn't have done anything" at this point, then the problem still exists. it deserves to be talked about.

[(Anonymous)]

Circulating it against the wishes of the actual injured party, no less.

da

[(Anonymous)]

i wouldn't say against their wishes, but rather without consideration for. they didn't know what their wishes were.

and what's more, they've obviously reached out by now, and the person is okay with it staying up, just with some understandable caveats.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

They never reached out, the player involved stumbled across the callout plurk and was completely blindsided.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

lifebfr
i want to apologize publicly as i have privately for sharing these caps without permission. i realize i acted carelessly and i am very sorry for that. they are still staying up now with permission. thank you for very much for your understanding,

so, again, since you can't read, "they've obviously reached out by now"