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>"i don't believe they shouldn't have said anything at all to the person, as mods also have a right to not be uncomfortable in their game"

okay, no, fuck that, full stop. i am saying this as someone who has modded and been in an "uncomfortable" situation, you do not, under any circumstances, dump your drama on someone who you have zero proof even knows what's fucking going on.

they should have said nothing. keep an eye on the situation? sure. scrutinize for your sake. but they never should have dumped that on the new player. period. there is zero excuse for that and i'm astounded there are people who think this is somehow justified.

also a former mod, also would never have subject a player whom is only tangentially connected to drama to that drama. especially when it amounts to all but outright saying "you're not welcome here because you're associated with someone i had a falling out with" like no, fuck that.

there is no excusing what happened. they need to apologize and do better. period. if i had seen or been told a co-mod of mine had done this in my games, they'd be banned in a heart beat. there is no situation where what they did was acceptable.

even more, it comes down to them seeming like they didn't believe that the ex-player would suggest the game 'in good faith'. they came at the player like they were some kind of undercover spy. they'd made up this 'well, they know x and that means they're going to tattle to x about everything and they're a part of it even though they aren't so we don't want them here' narrative. as soon as they found out they were friends with the x player, they shat the bed. as soon as they came in with their 'um hi honey?', they fucked up. they made up something in their head to justify something that was badly thought out in the first place.

another former mod here and the first rule of modding is that you leave your personal problems with players at the door. if you can't do that, you aren't cut out to be a mod. by all means, keep an eye on things and intervene if and when there's a problem, but don't go creating an issue where there is none, and absolutely do not bring your personal biases into a situation with an uninvolved player just because they happen to be friends with someone you don't like.

while i agree that the drama should not have been "dumped" on the player in this way, i fundamentally disagree that the mods should have silently stewed in their intense anxiety about the situation (which was far more severe than the "just because they didn't like that player's friend" reason that's going around) instead of at least trying to clear the air. but i do appreciate hearing some other mod opinions on that, it's probably a larger conversation that is worth having in dwrp.

you can fundamentally disagree all you want. you can think the sky isn't blue. you can think the earth is flat and gravity is fake.

it doesn't make you less wrong. this isn't a matter of opinion.

what "intense anxiety"? the player in question had done literally nothing to indicate that they might be a problem. they had no history of bad behavior or of causing any sort of trouble themselves. the only problem was guilt by association.

You know what the mods should've done? Taken a step back until they realized how irrational they were being. No matter how you spin it, being uncomfortable or suffering "intense anxiety" is not blanket justification for mistreating people who haven't done anything wrong.

yes, that would have been a sensible step for sure. and literally nobody is claiming a "blanket justification for mistreating people". there's an explanation for why they reacted the way they did, and acknowledgement that someone was hurt in the course of it and that sucks, and should not happen again. anyone genuinely interested in this can read angel's and bird's plurks on the matter and judge them based on that.

and no one in the history of this entire thing has claimed the player in question was ever the problem. i don't understand why some people here are still trying to spin it that way, especially now that it turns out the screencaps were shared entirely without their permission, so clearly whoever started this was not acting in that player's best interests.

if you look at what some of the whiteknights in these various plurks are saying, the mods are justified in mistreating someone because "mods shouldn't have to be impartial" or "they were recommended by their abuser"

like. yeah. people are 100% saying shitty things and i think it's very telling the the mods aren't correcting them.

now that's just kind of moving the goalpost from "accountability for the mods' own actions" to "accountability for the whiteknights' actions", which is not helpful.

i think it's very telling that the screencaps were shared without permission and the player's name wasn't even blacked out, but their association's name or names were. to me, this does not speak to the fact that these caps were shared from a place of genuine concern for the situation of the player.

okay but the person sharing the screencaps has already owned up to that, talked to the player in question, and apologized.

the mods aren't saying shit about the ravenous whiteknights in their plurks that are trying to talk down everyone talking to them in these supposedly open discussions

the caps were shared in the player in question's plurk. they made a plurk to their timeline about it, and edited out their friends names for their sake. those caps are edited by the player, not by whoever shared them. they didn't edit their own name because they were sharing it with their plurklist and it wouldn't have made sense to.

i don't know about the new release of deets and if it's them or a friend or what. the specifics of that haven't been shared and i'd be curious to know if that person (who i'm familiar with) is aware or what they feel.

all of this looks bad from beginning to end. the mods' original actions look horrible, but this is a year old and the player affected apparently did not want this shared. it came up on wankgate, was ignored, a debate happened about why people were ignoring it. a second debate happened on whether this particular incident could prove whether wankgate is useful.

it moved to here and to anon plurks. most discussion has been civil, but some of the mods and friends are angry that this is coming up in such a suspicious way. mods are addressing it. and the only people genuinely affected are anyone interacting with these mods. did I miss anything? this is going to turn into another discussion about how anon comms themselves are the problems. that's where we're always going to end up nowadays because the only serious discussion is happening here or logged in. unless more people feel seriously enough about this to come forward, the circumstances are suspicious. i will grant that this particular incident has opened the door to some rare transparency in dwrp, and maybe that's all some people really want, but it's been done in a way that comes off as harassment itself, or at least highly suspicious, and that's what folks are uncomfortable with.

i'm someone who spoke out in the plurk from the sock account and had to log out to see their public plurks (presumably because they blocked me). just in case anyone's wondering why they just look like empty plurks.

"and no one in the history of this entire thing has claimed the player in question was ever the problem."

the mods were acting like the player in question was the problem ffs

did you even read the caps? the mods were bullying and guilting the player and saying that other people might be uncomfortable if they apped a character that had previously been played by someone who had (supposedly) caused issues. that is putting the blame on that player for the actions of someone else.

This, so much.

I'm glad for these caps, the way those mods acted towards the player are major red flags for me.

The way the whiteknights in the sock plurk are also leave a bad taste in my mouth. Hey, if you're friends with someone, you can call them out too.

Some of those guys were in full "eat my dick" mode in response to it being brought up at all which was pretty jarring. They really don't seem to get that it isn't helping defend the mod at all.

that's because unless you can prove that someone is so terrible that this sort of public outing is necessary, most people don't want to rehash year old drama and the details surrounding this outing are suspicious to put it mildly.

at this point, dwrp hates anon comms more than it hates wankers.

the counter-argument is some wankers are so horrible in secret that their anon comm whipping is merited, but with dwrp dwindling to nothingness, the burden of proof that anyone left here is that worth anon comms is going to be extremely high, and so even the more serious attempts to correct the story are met with anger and exhaustion because the more serious discussion is a grain of sand amid a desert of deetless speculation, as always. is that surprising? this discussion is going to return to where all discussions now do.

there. is. literally. nothing. suspicious. about. this.

the mods were a piece of shit to a completely innocent player. there are screencaps right there of them bullying and gaslighting a player whose only crime was wanting to app a particular character after someone the mods didn't like had previously played the character in that game. i've modded games before and there is NO excuse for that shit. you don't judge someone who has done nothing wrong on the fact that they happen to be friends with someone you have bad blood with.

by all means, judge away if there's evidence of that particular player starting trouble, but you don't damn someone for being friends with someone you got in a tiff with when that player has done nothing to indicate that they are going to be a problem. that's a personal problem and you need to keep that separate from when you're wearing your mod hat.

Jesus Christ, thank you.

I think all this process hand-wringing reveals another DWRP problem, which is the evolution of complicated social and writing conventions that if you don't follow, you're lazy/inconsiderate/stupid/can't read/etc., etc.

Like, sure, I don't think the process of these caps coming to light was ideal. I was glad to see the sock account immediately apologize, because an apology was warranted. But at a certain point you have to assess the central complaint.

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