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[(Anonymous)]

this incident was not handled professionally because the mods were too personally affected, i agree. perhaps it would have been more professional to say "we're concerned we can't treat you impartially because of your associations so we ask that you don't app", though someone would have wanked on that too i'm sure. there was no graceful way out of this particular, incredibly specific situation. making this conversation public would still have been unprofessional on top of all that.

i understand that people would like to know who their mods are, but this incident that happened under very specific circumstances involving their abuser (granted, by association, and this is a mess) is being treated as though it's a comprehensive view of how these mods treat their playerbase. if a random player wants to know how these mods run a game, they could ask people who were in LA.

[(Anonymous)]

it does not at all sound like this as an isolated situation, according to what's being said.

there's also a fair amount of people saying the "abuser" in question didn't abuse them at all, and instead was labeled as such simply because they were critical of their behavior.

now you can either choose to believe all that or not, i don't have any evidence for you, but there even if none of that's true, the answer to "should we have done this?" should always be "no". it does not matter what was going in in their heads. it shouldn't have happened. if they can't say that, then that's a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

what is being said? by who? i've not seen any examples of that, only the vague "this wasn't the first time" stuff. maybe they had a tendency to go talk to one person as a pack and that can come off badly for sure, but that's not in and of itself abuse and it's not going to matter if only one of them wants to mod another game.

there's a fair amount of people on both sides of the abuser story, so that's kind of a wash if we're truly trying to look at this impartially.

both zero and angel have said that they should not have handled it this way. i don't believe they shouldn't have said anything at all to the person, as mods also have a right to not be uncomfortable in their game. as i said, i don't think there was a good way to handle this at all, and perhaps that was actually the intent of the person recommending the player in the end. at this point everyone seems to agree it was handled badly, so i'm still not sure what else there is to say on the matter.

[(Anonymous)]

"should not have handled it this way" does not mean "shouldn't have done it at all"

it's not an apology. it's digging for excuses. i'm not satisfied with this. no one should be.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

no way i'm touching any of their games with a 10 foot pole

da

[(Anonymous)]

>"i don't believe they shouldn't have said anything at all to the person, as mods also have a right to not be uncomfortable in their game"

okay, no, fuck that, full stop. i am saying this as someone who has modded and been in an "uncomfortable" situation, you do not, under any circumstances, dump your drama on someone who you have zero proof even knows what's fucking going on.

they should have said nothing. keep an eye on the situation? sure. scrutinize for your sake. but they never should have dumped that on the new player. period. there is zero excuse for that and i'm astounded there are people who think this is somehow justified.

dda, +1

[(Anonymous)]

also a former mod, also would never have subject a player whom is only tangentially connected to drama to that drama. especially when it amounts to all but outright saying "you're not welcome here because you're associated with someone i had a falling out with" like no, fuck that.

there is no excusing what happened. they need to apologize and do better. period. if i had seen or been told a co-mod of mine had done this in my games, they'd be banned in a heart beat. there is no situation where what they did was acceptable.

da

[(Anonymous)]

even more, it comes down to them seeming like they didn't believe that the ex-player would suggest the game 'in good faith'. they came at the player like they were some kind of undercover spy. they'd made up this 'well, they know x and that means they're going to tattle to x about everything and they're a part of it even though they aren't so we don't want them here' narrative. as soon as they found out they were friends with the x player, they shat the bed. as soon as they came in with their 'um hi honey?', they fucked up. they made up something in their head to justify something that was badly thought out in the first place.

dda +1

[(Anonymous)]

another former mod here and the first rule of modding is that you leave your personal problems with players at the door. if you can't do that, you aren't cut out to be a mod. by all means, keep an eye on things and intervene if and when there's a problem, but don't go creating an issue where there is none, and absolutely do not bring your personal biases into a situation with an uninvolved player just because they happen to be friends with someone you don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

while i agree that the drama should not have been "dumped" on the player in this way, i fundamentally disagree that the mods should have silently stewed in their intense anxiety about the situation (which was far more severe than the "just because they didn't like that player's friend" reason that's going around) instead of at least trying to clear the air. but i do appreciate hearing some other mod opinions on that, it's probably a larger conversation that is worth having in dwrp.

[(Anonymous)]

you can fundamentally disagree all you want. you can think the sky isn't blue. you can think the earth is flat and gravity is fake.

it doesn't make you less wrong. this isn't a matter of opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

what "intense anxiety"? the player in question had done literally nothing to indicate that they might be a problem. they had no history of bad behavior or of causing any sort of trouble themselves. the only problem was guilt by association.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what the mods should've done? Taken a step back until they realized how irrational they were being. No matter how you spin it, being uncomfortable or suffering "intense anxiety" is not blanket justification for mistreating people who haven't done anything wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

yes, that would have been a sensible step for sure. and literally nobody is claiming a "blanket justification for mistreating people". there's an explanation for why they reacted the way they did, and acknowledgement that someone was hurt in the course of it and that sucks, and should not happen again. anyone genuinely interested in this can read angel's and bird's plurks on the matter and judge them based on that.

and no one in the history of this entire thing has claimed the player in question was ever the problem. i don't understand why some people here are still trying to spin it that way, especially now that it turns out the screencaps were shared entirely without their permission, so clearly whoever started this was not acting in that player's best interests.

[(Anonymous)]

the person that the mod team were shook over wasn't an abuser, they accused Zero and co OF abuse

quit trying to change the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

the mods have been embellishing this story for almost three years now and rewriting history until it goes from 'zero was called out on being abusive' to 'the player was the abuser of sooooo many people'

[(Anonymous)]

The mods can't even keep their story straight: https://www.plurk.com/p/nv14gp

What happened to "I would never force a player out abloo bloo"?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this one does make it seem that the intent WAS to ask them not to app that character. Which would be fair, I think. They just went about it in a really bad way.

This response is about as good as one could expect, imo. The other mods don't seem to be on the same page though, it's true. Which is a little ???

This person seems like the one being the most honest though.

[(Anonymous)]

how is arbitrarily asking someone to not app a character in any way "fair"

it doesn't matter what character they actually chose, I can guarantee you that they would have bullied them out anyway. stuff just lined up in the worst way to give them the maximum "reason" to coerce someone to leave

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that out of the three mods, Angel seems to be the only one who is sounding more responsible. But I'm not entirely convinced, not when I see they make more mentions of this player they had a disagreement with than they do even addressing their behavior. There's a lot of emphasis on this dawn being terrible to them and very little on taking responsibility for their own actions. It just comes off as very disingenuous, like they want everyone to give them a pass because they are so very hurt and traumatized. It's not a good look and I'm pretty disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

it's perpetuating a cycle of abuse as well. 'sure, i did a shitty thing that on its own was shitty and shouldn't have been done, but i was abused/assaulted/scared myself, and that made me do that'. like, be a little more 'you made me hit you' with this shit. they reacted in a way they shouldn't have. period. regardless of circumstances. unless the person they were talking to was the person they had a problem with, the topic shouldn't have come up. but they transposed their bullshit onto an innocent party because 'i saw x in your plurk and it triggered me'.

not a good reason. own your shit. stop perpetuating treating someone else badly because you couldn't control your own actions. you could. you're just looking for an excuse to validate being a shitbird.

[(Anonymous)]

do you have deets on this, it's driving me nuts that no one will talk about it

[(Anonymous)]

I dont, but the mods even admit to their victim in the caps that Dawn accused them of abuse.

Now they're changing their story

[(Anonymous)]

Some people believe that being called out on their bullshit is tantamount to abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if these mods do, too.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

The more I read about this the more that statement rings very, very true.