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Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

i don't personally pay the chefs that cook my food at a restaurant, but i still expect them to serve it in a timely manner.

grrm's being paid by the publisher. he has an obligation to finish the book he's been paid to write. expecting him to do so is not entitlement.

da

[(Anonymous)]

which means that the PUBLISHER is entitled to either the book or to whatever compensation their contract specified they'd be entitled to if he never produced the book. you and the other readers are not a party to this contract.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

by that logic, the chef is only beholden to the restaurant manager or owner, and not the person who ordered the food, and thus the customer has no right to complain, because we don't personally sign their cheque

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

the chef IS only beholden to the restaurant manager/owner. if a chef kept not making anybody's food, they'd probably get fired, but the customers wouldn't be the ones who got to fire them. the publisher can drop GRRM if they want to, and if he ever started actually losing them money, they would. but he's not, so they won't.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

no one here is calling for grrm to be fired.

we're all saying "where's the salad i ordered"

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

you didn't order a salad.

you ordered a sandwich ten years ago, and you got it.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

you realize this argument falls apart when subject to even the barest scrutiny, right?

the reading public was promised another book. we haven't gotten it. we have a right to be upset, regardless if we pay grrm out of our own pockets or not. that's part of capitalism.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

like i told the other anon, if you sell a product (ANY product) as part one of seven, then yeah, you are creating a pseudo contract. not a formal one, but it is part of the sale. a service you are promising for the future, so to speak. it is not entitlement to want the head and body of the dinosaur after they sold the arms and legs to you.

dda

[(Anonymous)]

writing for public consumption is a service, and while the publisher may be the facilitator in both pay and distribution, the service is executed for the sake of the end-user, the customer, the reader.

it's not entitlement to complain about the quality of that service. with how you read it, we're not even allowed to criticize books we read because we didn't pay the author ourselves.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, everyone's allowed to want whatever they want and feel whatever type of way about it, but what's the goal here? he's either going to write it or he isn't, and all the complaining on earth is unlikely to Inspire him

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

if you feel that way, then stop calling it entitlement

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

you're allowed to feel like he owes you the book because of capitalism and unspoken contracts and the fact that you really want it, and I'm allowed to feel like that's called entitlement

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

no one is entitled to anything, that's right, but no one's saying legally grrm ought to be chained to his desk and forced to write a book, i'm just making a judgement of him as one human being to another as i would anyone else! i think he's lazy and unmotivated to put the work in to finish, but he also probably enjoys having an audience who loves his writing and therefore he likes to promise that the next book is totally going to be out next year (or the year after...or the year after). he has no followthrough–that doesn't mean he's a terrible human being, it just means that it's annoying when you're a fan of the series and per word of god you keep getting excited about something that keeps not happening

and while i'm certainly not saying that i could be grrm, because of course he's uniquely talented, being a writer at his level is in many ways a pretty cushy gig! yes there's a lot of pressure but in terms of the level of effort and work involved, after eight years with no book i'm pretty sure he's had a lot of free time. it's not an unfair expectation to wonder if he could put in some more work without having to slave away at it day in day out. or at least he could be honest about the work he's putting into it

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

you paid for breakfast and lunch. that don't mean you're entitled to dinner, sweaty.

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

awful analogy, meals are separate products that aren't incomplete if you don't get one

we paid for the arms and head of a dinosaur under the promise that the body would come later

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

is2g i hope he never finishes this series or dies first just to spite you whiny tittiebabies

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

did you call the walking dead fans tittiebabies too when they learned they wouldn't be getting the rest of the game episodes?

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

The coercive elements of capitalism and the incentives/disincentives of certain behaviors in the name of "professionalism" cease to operate at a certain level of wealth and celebrity. The chef in your local diner needs to provide a good service in a timely manner because they probably need that job or they will get fired and have a difficult time getting a new job when potential employers check his employment history. But if the chef is Gordon Ramsay, he can scream "IT'S ROTTEN" and storm out and what are you going to do about it?

What is anyone going to do if GRRM fails to finish a book you haven't paid him for? Are the fans going to not buy the book they're chomping at the bit for him to finish? Are you going to not buy a book that isn't available to buy? In that event, so what? He already made the money he needs. Are the publishers going to punish him for breach of contract for not finishing it yet? They would be burning a bridge when they want to be able to make money off of his next book when he does finish a book again, any book, because he has name recognition and it will sell. If they do decide that they don't want him to make them more money and end the contract he might have some penalty for failing to uphold his end of it, but it certainly won't break him.

You can be disappointed a book you want still isn't finished, but it's silly to do anything but shrug and move on. Nobody can make it be finished but GRRM.

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

> But if the chef is Gordon Ramsay, he can scream "IT'S ROTTEN" and storm out and what are you going to do about it?

nothing? but if people were mad at him and writing a post on their social media saying "ramsay sucks, he didn't finish my meal" you wouldn't call them entitled.

this is what this thread is about. i mean duh, of course we can't do anything about it, but this thread started because an idiot jumped on a couple of people venting about the situation to call them entitled.

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

You can be disappointed a book you want still isn't finished, but it's silly to do anything but shrug and move on.

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

well with that logic we can't vent about anything that we have no control of. had a bad day? shrug it and move on!

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

do you have any fucking idea where you are?

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

"why express dissatisfaction if nothing can be done" is the stupidest take anyone has had on this community specifically designed for anonymous venting and discussion.

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

there's a difference between expressing sadness/frustration that the book is not done, and expressing your sincere belief that the author owes you the book for spiritual reasons (if not legal ones)

Re: GAME OF THRONES

[(Anonymous)]

good thing nobody did that