rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2018-10-20 10:50 pm

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Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
ocs with incest are a product of an individual player actually deciding to sit down and think extensively about it and decide that, ah yes, incest is the story element that will really round out this character that i have absolute creative control over

it was that player's own personal decision to make that character that way

i mean, i also personally don't care for people who pick up canon characters with incest backgrounds so they can rp the incest stuff either, because that's them actively deciding to do that too, but there's an extra element of really going out of your way to make incest a feature when you straight up create an oc from scratch with an incest background. toss it in the same bin as suicide and rape-for-melodrama backstories; few people can pull it off well with canon characters, and even fewer people can pull it off well with ocs. just don't bother.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"it feels shitty to me that people are concerned about that kind of thing over whether or not they're hurting someone else for the sake of their pretendy funtimes, you know?"

you're correct, and that's exactly what i'm calling out. the fact some people are hiding behind the moral reasoning when it's actually a "being ooc" thing, and they wouldn't do this whole tldring about comfort if it was about a """proper""" canon. if people really cared about player's comfort (like they SHOULD) they would do it all the time and not only when it's convenient.

sorry too. my first comment to op was meant about just my preferences and this has become super ranty, but using moral reasons to justify double standards like this bother the hell out of me. it's what tumblr does a lot these day to try to shoot off other people's favorite canons and pairings, too.

people have triggers, and incest definitely is a touchy subject that must treated carefully. but if person A can get away with it while person B can't just based on their characters being published or not, then (general) you don't really care, you're just enjoying your high horse.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
and it was the player's own personal decision to pick up jamie and had smut threads with cersei. they saw that and thought "ah yes i want to play and explore exactly that kind of relationship". the oc player wanted to explore that too but hasn't found a canon character that calls to them. this is a dumb difference and you're talking on technicisms. you mention rape backstories and canons are AWFUL for this, they're always there to be a woman's tragic secret that she must be healed of.

so an oc player or someone with a canon character that goes into that kind of plot takes an extra step. they're a twelve in the bad scale, against the people who had that a canon and are a ten in the bad scale. well, a ten is still pretty damn bad, the existence of something worse doesn't erase that. this is almost hitting godwin's law.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Not really a fan of the 7-episode “flashback” arc. Makes the first few episodes not matter at all.

What I do like—Michael Langdon’s character development.

That being said, I’d like to see more characters floating around. Some of them would be interesting CR.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
oh, sure, OCs are a whole other story. a lot of people still don't like them or want them around at all, so they're never going to get a pass on anything remotely troublesome, no

look, there's a lot to be said about how much weight we tend to give ICness over all other concerns around here, but if something is canon then it has at least some sort of impetus external to the player that other people can see and understand. and right or wrong, it IS a reason that the people around here tend to value. your gamemates still may not like what you're doing, but it's not a contradiction that they have an easier time dealing with it when they understand why it's happening and why you're in a difficult position too.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
> and right or wrong, it IS a reason that the people around here tend to value.

i KNOW that, that has been the entire point! what i'm saying is: if ICness is the reason then SAY so instead of being a hypocrite and saying it's over player's comfort. because half of the time, it's not. some anons do say no to canon incest too, and that's perfectly fine, they're truly caring about triggers. but what's pissing me of it's those saying "don't play it because think of your gamemates!!!" when what they mean is "don't play it because it's ooc, i actually wouldn't tldr about comfort to people that have this shit in canon".

Re: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473950105083445278/498526710023716864/DW59fhJVQAAh0tj.png

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
which ones? he has a lot of tweets.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
if it's a kink-friendly sex game then yes, just warn for it and make it avoidable for castmates and others who don't want to deal with it

if it's any other kind of game then no

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm saying that ICness and comfort are intertwined because people are less uncomfortable when they believe there's a good excuse.

I'm not even saying it's fair. familiarity is also a big part of comfort, and with it preconceived notions and bias. people are always going to feel less shitty about shit they're already primed to like. that doesn't mean they're lying about how shitty they do or don't feel, though. people react differently to similar things with different contexts behind them.

nothing is going to make people like your edgy OCs as much as equally edgy canon characters, anon. sorry but that's just how it is.

Re: RP HOPES AND JOYS

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been doing a psl with someone who isn't really into dwrp overall and it's so nice to play self indulgent nonsense without all the weird pressure. It's been a few weeks and I'm enjoying it.

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The other anons covered most of it already but I think there's an important point that hasn't been made here yet.

Let's say you do app in and play a non-canon incest ship. What are you going to do about castmates who are (rightfully) uncomfortable with your ship? If the other half of your ship drops and you decide to stay, what happens if someone else apps that character and doesn't want to play out incest? How would you reach a compromise in a situation like that?

Re: incest talk itt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
disclaimer: tbf i'm not triggered by incest and play either only children or characters with siblings i don't think are compatible with them. so if i sound ignorant lmk. there's a 99% chance that if i played incest it would be a "these characters are related" AU unless i picked up more characters with siblings. i'm not that into incest as a kink but i'm completely open to "we're siblings now" AUs if a smut partner's into it.

so...

if you were to tag your character's relative on a shippy meme or vice versa, i think it would be polite to put "CW: INCEST SHIP THREAD" or something similar in the subject of one of the top replies.

idk how you feel about your whole thread being "branded" with "Re: CW: INCEST SHIP THREAD" in every subject just in case. i'm not in a game and i don't expect anyone to read my threads so i would probably leave the Re: stuff in a few of the top replies and then remove it. idk if other anons would disagree. it feels kind of embarrassing to me tbh.

i think playing incest in a game is too much unless you're in a smut game maybe. if you're in one, i would put a warning in the op like in memes. maybe make an opt-out post for people who don't want to have characters discuss the incest? i think memes are okay as long as you put a warning. for psls/musebox stuff i would maybe put a warning in the op but really, if someone wanked on you for psl/musebox stuff, they would get laughed at for being a petty asshole.

Futa/F, incest, anal focus

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
An adult woman has her high school age sister move in with her due to their parents going overseas for a year or some other contrived nonsense. It irritates her, providing for another mouth to feed, so she gets her due by fucking her, mostly in the butt to avoid any pregnancy issues.

I want to play the grown woman, she'll be a stern and dominant type of person. What kind of girl her sister is is up to you, I can play against someone into it, who goes reluctantly with what she's got to do, or someone totally rebellious. Fine with playing their first time or skipping right along to the middle of their relationship.

Canon characters and OCs are fine with me, drawn PBs only.

Re: Futa/F, incest, anal focus

[personal profile] sockbyboringsock 2018-11-10 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
i've got a couple characters that can fit into this! hmu

Re: Zhautas

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
honestly i’m pretty slow but i feel i’ve been able to keep up. the pace really picks up during events but people are usually willing to backtag and accommodate slower players

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
sorry, i'll do better next time

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
no you won't, you'll just flake again

Re: Futa/F, incest, anal focus

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
PM inbestuous!

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
tabata didn't create final fantasy xv and its all male cast. he just finished in 2 years what nomura couldn't when he started this ten years ago.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
other than some character designs and assets, the game we got is very different from the game nomura started, and that's all on tabata.

i'm not trying to say nomura's would have been better, we ultimately will never know, but don't pull that tired excuse. the majority of the game's story and direction was completed under tabata.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
to be fair to tabata, both type-0 and ffxv were projects that were handed to him after being stuck in development hell. while he did essentially start with a brand new story for all of them, there were essentially expectations of how the story should be thanks to SE continuously teasing the game. he basicallly had to tie in all these characters and world together in a story that felt integrated and alive.

i don’t think his work is bad but i do feel like he was starting to turn into the guy square would push off their messes to fix. crisis core is the only one that he had control of from start to finish iirc.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-10 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
then explain 3rd Birthday

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-11 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
i was just responding to the "no wonder the party was all dudes" comment. i'm not going to say the story we got is a masterpiece, it's definitely not, but let's be fair with what failures we should attribute to tabata and which ones we shouldn't.

my perspective is this: final fantasy xv was a rushed and unfinished game. i bought it on release and was disappointed with certain directional choices (which is 100% on tabata). however, the game was a commercial success and there was no need to expand on it further (from a business standpoint). they got our money and could have moved on, but instead they kept creating new content. i'm not going to complain about that.

this part isn't so much in response to you now, but i roll my eyes every time someone whines about having to pay for this extra new content. they have a whole staff of writers and programmers working on these extra things, of course they're going to charge for it so they can actually pay the people who are making them.

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2018-11-11 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
i was just responding to the "no wonder the party was all dudes" comment

as far as i remember, the only characters who existed from the original nomura build of the game who were kept were Noctis and Lunafreya. characters in the original party from the early test shots eventually became the rest of the four man band, but there were women in that shot, too. it's possible those female characters from that initial group shot were never going to be in the final party (one of them almost certainly became iris later on) but the four man band was still a decision that can be attributed to tabata.

the game was a commercial success and there was no need to expand on it further (from a business standpoint)

ffxv was a loss, and no amount of sales it would have had would have recouped the bloated development and marketing budget that came from its absurd development cycle. now this is decidedly not tabata's fault, his job was to get the project finished since by that point it was already over budget and impossibly delayed, but it absolutely was imperative to square to continue monetizing the game even after the initial release or it never would have recouped their loss on it. for the record, despite all the monetization, it still didn't. see also; tomb raider.

square posted 30+ million dollar loss, recently, if you want to know just how badly they needed to continue monetizing ffxv.

ONE LINE APPS

(Anonymous) 2018-11-11 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
write an application for your character with a single line of dialogue and a one-word hint. other people guess who it is.