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[(Anonymous)]

is it even possible to get a "good career" (very stable, good enough pay to live comfortably off of, cares about you as an employee) without going to college?

it's really hard to talk to my parents about how the economy has changed and i can't just go get a good from the good job tree. lots of jobs sound awesome and great but they don't just hire you right after sending in an application. it's stuff we all know, but i'm curious if any of you anons have some kind of dream job you didn't even have to go to school for?

sa

[(Anonymous)]

*get a good job

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's possible, but it's not something that is going to happen right away. The key seems to be similar as it was when our parents were our age: get in with a good company, stick around and move up. It's not always easy because you need some edge to make up for the lack of degree and experience in those higher positions, but a good proven track record of performance can go a long way with the right company.

[(Anonymous)]

i have older relatives who insist that i should harass (my words, not theirs) employers until they hire me.

if i call them and beg to talk to the manager everyday, then they'll surely know i'm willing to work! no, they'll think that i'm fucking annoying!

no, i can't just chat with the manager about hiring me, it's tyool 2017 and most employers will point me to their online job applications, especially if they're a franchise.

and fuck no, randomly organizing shelves at kroger or cleaning tables at mcdonald's isn't going to be my foot in the door. do you seriously believe that managers watch out for that shit?!

[(Anonymous)]

oh my god your older relatives sound like my older relatives :(
prayer circle

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

i feel so sorry for managers who have to deal with this bullshit because people told their kids to harass managers until they get a job. it makes me wonder if they think somebody pursuing them like this romantically would be anything but creepy.

i actually went to a fast food interview event at taco bell where an older guy started tidying the place up post-interview but he shot himself in the foot badly. he pushed 3 chairs in without lifting them so it was like hearing nails on a chalkboard. it was the table right behind the manager too! and somebody left a few sauce packets on their table so he picked them up and threw them away, smiling the whole time in the manager's direction. the manager doing the interviews winced when he moved the chairs and after he left, she was like "wow, did that just happen?! anyway, sorry about that..."

i felt sorry for the guy because he sounded desperate af in his interview because he had kids to provide for, but the chair thing completely fucked him over. dude, the manager's interviewing somebody else and you're being loud! 3 times in a row without realizing "these chairs are loud, maybe i should lift them or stop"!

da

[(Anonymous)]

let me join this prayer circle
because this sounds like my relatives too :(

[(Anonymous)]

yes

my job is one of the ones that would make most people roll their eyes and tell me to get a "real job", but the truth is that i have secure hours, benefits, 401k, 3 weeks of paid vacation a year, and i make a good bit above minimum wage. i can live comfortably by myself, and i was a homeowner in my mid-20s

i wouldn't call it my dream job, but i don't know what my dream job would be anyway. but it's not difficult and it lets me live pretty nicely so it's cool in my book

[(Anonymous)]

Yet you won't tell us what it is?

[(Anonymous)]

no

[(Anonymous)]

It's possible, but you'll probably need to know people and nepotism your way in, get the right opportunity and haul a lot more ass than normal, or go to some trade school instead. If this is unwanted, then my bad, but basically you need three things for a good career:

1. Connections
2. Experience
3. Education, even if it's fucking pointless for what you're doing

And the less of one you have, the more you'll have to compensate for it with the other two. So one of my directors only had a high school degree and was shit at her job, but as she was besties with the CEO she was hired on as a director. Another boss I had was also shit at her job, but she'd been with the company for long enough that they promoted her. That sort of thing.

[(Anonymous)]

you could have stopped your question at 'is it even possible to get a good career' because the answer is no

be born rich or kill yourself, holmes

[(Anonymous)]

if you're willing to do physical labor, there are jobs that either require no education, or require hands-on training rather than straight classroom learning.

if you want an office job, though, no. most positions require an education, and many of them set the bar higher than the base requirements because there are so many people looking for a job right now.

[(Anonymous)]

ain't that the truth. i saw an ad for a filing job - filing - that required a bachelor's degree in business administration.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Completely right. And not even just office positions anymore. Almost any job requires is getting to the point one is necessary.

When hunting around, I once saw a job listing that required an associates/bachelors degree (forgot which one, think it was bachelors tho) for a minimum wage ice cream scooping job. I wish I could find it now because it was absolutely ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

I never finished my AD (which was going to be in art history, so there's that, too) and I do decently-paying, non-boring work in software after opportunity-nabbing off of an initial contract QA job I got on grounds of "I'm a chronic nitpicker and I play a lot of video games". It isn't my dream job or even my dream field, but it's certainly a darn good one.

[(Anonymous)]

absolutely anon! i just turned 26 and ive been at my job for almost 4 years, full time in the medical field (but on the administrative side so i dont do much medical-y stuff), with pretty good insurance and a bunch of other perks. never technically finished high school (got a ged later though) either, let alone "real" college. i guess i did kind of cheat because i went to one of those shitty for-profit "trade schools" (UEI, if youre curious) for medical billing and insurance coding, but i dont do either of those things and never have lol. the only real leg-up it gave me was some medical terminology and i also caught the attention of the career center who got me hired for a real job rather than doing the standard month-long unpaid internship because i can type 130+ WPM (as can basically every nerd on dw im sure).

my advice:

1. check out askamanager.com and absorb all her wisdom, anything and everything you can read will MASSIVELY help you.
2. pad your resume with any skills/background you have at all, from how fast you type to what computer programs you know to anything you did like babysitting or cashiering or fast food, doesn't matter. just really beef up the work experience and marketable skills, and either keep the education section to a minimum or don't include it at all. i've found it hardly ever comes up honestly.
3. i got the job i'm at now with the help of a temp agency (i was temp-to-hire) and i cant stress enough how helpful they can be, so see if you can get in with one of them... i used officeteam/accountemps, idk if they're outside california but google around and see what equivalents you can find!
4. i agree with the anon about once you get in somewhere, try to stick with it for as long as you can and work your way up. i struggled with that A LOT my first couple years because many people my age did in fact go to college and are lucky enough to be able to move from job to job like stepping stones, but having fewer Fancy Papers to your professional name makes that hard to do, so we do kinda have to kick it old school lol.

i can't say it's a ~dream~ but i'm financially stable (or i would be if i hadnt been bad w credit cards in my youth.. sigh) and i'm still youngish so i mean. what more can you ask for these days!!

[(Anonymous)]

seconding the hell out of "askamanager.com" the owner of that site offers useful, realistic, level headed job advice and support, and often actionable steps, scripts, and templates.

[(Anonymous)]

yes, if you have a) very good luck, b) connections, or preferably c) both.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of it depends on the kind of field you're looking for work in, office/"sit down" work is going to be a lot harder to find than something in say manufacturing or warehouse/shipping.

It also depends a lot on where you live and your transportation situation. If you're in a city, there are generally more opportunities than in say a small town in the boonies.

If you have "practical" skills like using tools or some kinds of equipment, you'll have a bit of a leg up on some folks who don't.

I got a full time job doing in-house upholstery and event/holiday decorating work for a business because I've been doing competitive cosplay and other sewing projects for about a decade and put that on my resume as being a seamstress/dressmaker/tailor.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of my friends don't have any post secondary, and decent jobs. One of them works as an accountant type thing for a government party (payroll and suchlike), though we had a friend at the time who worked for said political party (also no degree, but did take three years of post-secondary), but she also had several years experience doing a similiar job for a used carlot.

And another friend who works as an offoce person for a construction place and she seems to enjoy it. I don't know her pervious experience though because she had the job when I met her.

[(Anonymous)]

how did they manage to get an accountant job without a degree in accounting?

[(Anonymous)]

I really enjoy my job in what would be considered the 'financial area' and I have a GED.

Granted, I got lucky when the bank nearest me was hiring and went from there, but making 50k a year isn't bad.

[(Anonymous)]

By working hard, being accountable, being willing to learn new things, making the right impressions on the right people, and being very, very lucky.

I started my full-time job because I had to take temp work at a certain well-known blue-collar company in order to keep my bills paid. I was reliable and worked hard and picked things up quickly, and my company bought me out of my temp contract. I worked at my location for a few years, unknowingly made connections. Gained a reputation for ironing out any process/job given to me and then teaching it to others.

By the time I left my last position within the company I had been given a lot of projects, which is business wording for "I had a total mess dumped on my plate with little to no training on how to handle it and was told to figure it out". I figured those things out, then taught others.

An internal position opened up recently, and they quietly offered it to me. It came with a sweet raise.

It's not my dream job, but it's satisfying, pays fairly decently, and has great benefits. If my husband lost his job I could probably support us if I had to.

[(Anonymous)]

it can happen, but it's not something to hold your breath for, no. and i only say it's possible because it happened to me by chance.

i was hired into an electrician job, off the street with no college education, a job i only applied for because i was applying for almost everything in town, all because i'm small enough to fit into tight spaces few others in our shop can. not even shitting you. it's a stable career, good pay, work i ENJOY. and they trained me in everything i needed to know.

so not impossible, you just have to be really fucking lucky