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ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

i could understand a couple years ago when there weren't that many oc friendly games. even some of the older games that transferred over from lj would talk about if they should allow ocs in and always get a huge no. but there are so many games that are open to ocs now that getting upset that one of the newer ones opening doesn't just feels like there's an expectation that all new games have to be open to them. they don't.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

honestly, a lot of games are oc friendly in name only. they're allowed, but are hamstrung by the idea that ocs are somehow worse merely because they're ocs.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

there's nothing to be done about that, though. you can't force individual players to like ocs anymore than you can force them to like homestuck or undertale characters or something like that. it's not the same as being disallowed, and most games these days do allow ocs.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

which is not the fault of the game itself but then falls to the playerbse either being unfriendly and cliquey, or the unfortunateness of shitty ocs making most ocs look shitty by association. the problem is that there's a vocal contingent of oc players that call foul on everything. i've seen plenty of ocs that make an actual effort to play and they do fine in games. it's usually the ones that top level with no hooks and cry they get no tags or who don't tag around and complain that they have no cr that are the most vocal about oc oppression. the ocs that make the effort to tag out, be available, don't shoehorn into things and demand they be catered to are the ones that get lots of cr and are welcomed into games.

i'm not saying there aren't players that refuse to play with ocs (i've run into quite a few that won't even give an oc a chance and won't play in games with ocs, so yes, they exist), but why would you want to play with those people anyway? in games where the entire playerbase is cold shouldering an oc/ocs in general, they're usually the same type of players that will cold shoulder an obscure character as well because most of them are only in it for cast cr or shiny hunting. that's not the game's fault for being open to ocs. that's just bad luck that a game open to ocs got filled with a shitty clique.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

aren't the mods supposed to do something about cliqueyness? so wouldn't that make it the fault of the game for not keeping their playerbase in line?

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

the sad thing is you can't force people to play with someone or thing they're not interested in.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

no? the mods can't force people to play with someone they don't like. if someone apps in and all the rest of the game are playing with each other and ignoring one particular player/character, the mods can't come in like teachers and demand that johnny gets a turn on the slide too. it's unfortunate if someone can get shunned/ignored out of a game, but there's literally no rule in any game that says that anyone has to play with anyone else. they can enforce that they don't play with just one person/two people and tag out more, but they can't say 'tag johnny because no one else is'.

look at it this way; what if kayvin or a crappy gross wanker came into a game you were in and for some reason wasn't banned from it (not that that'll ever happen, but this is an example). no one has to play with them. the mods can't make anyone play with them. the game can collectively decide to give them the finger by not playing and oops, they have to drop because they can't make ac. now, that's an intentional shunning that's designed to get someone out of a game. most of the time with ocs, it's not the game collectively deciding to say fuck you to the player, but it just so happens that sometimes the entire playerbase is just 'that playerbase' and they don't want to play with an oc and the oc does have to drop because they can't make ac. and no, the mods can't make the game play with them anymore than they can make the game play with a wanker.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

what do you expect the mods TO do? they can't twist people's arms and make them play with people they don't want to play with

anyone who thinks they should is nuts, i remember becca screaming at the genessia mods to do this back during her epic meltdown

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

same thing they always do to players who aren't tagging out of their comfort zone.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

which.... is?

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

what do mods do when a player doesn't tag outside of their clique? when they ignore tags?

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

uh, nothing?

mods can ask a player for different AC if they're turning it in with the same two or three characters every month, but that's about it. they can't do anything about ignoring tags, nor about staying in your clique if you have a modicum of intelligence about it.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

they can issue strikes

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

... no. no, they can't. not for not tagging a specific player. not if they want to keep the game open and not have a mass exodus.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, for serious infractions

not tagging you is not a serious infraction and they're not going to issue them on your behalf because then the whole game would have strikes

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

if you're trying to say you think mods should wag their finger and lecture their players to tag you, stop dancing around and just come out and say it

i mean, that's only tried by the most spineless of mods in response to bawling tittybabies and it never ever works because as like half a dozen people have pointed about you can't make someone play with people they don't want to play with--

but if that's what you keep ~hinting at~ stop being a pussy and just come out and say it. own your crazy

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

? ? ?

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

so enlighten us

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

It's different, though.

If Player A is tagging 3 other characters and ONLY those three, the mods can easily say 'we'd like to see you tagging some different characters next AC'. That's different than saying 'hey, tag this one character' to a player that tags out a lot.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

it really isn't

people tag who they want to tag. period. we bitch and moan about the dais but the reality is no mod can make a player play with people they don't want to play with. some people really do join games just to play with their friends, and it's not really in the spirit of a game, but there's no rules against it either. cliques are a part of every game because they're just a part of human nature

i get the feeling you're the sort of player who bounces from game to game because you keep getting "ignored" and you fail to see the one common denominator in all your failures

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Huh? I'm not OP and I was saying that you can't force people to play with OCs if they don't want to.

I've just seen mods approach people only playing with the same 2-3 characters before and telling them to tag out a bit more. To me, that's fine. But telling people who tag out plenty to go tag the poor neglected OC wouldn't really work.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I totally understand that some people clique with others in the way they RP, but if you join a game and completely close yourself off to anyone else for CR then maybe you really should move it to a musebox.

I'll admit, there are people in my game who's tags I pounce on at every opportunity. But that shouldn't limit someone from branching out and seeking CR elsewhere. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If you only allow yourself to tag a very small group of people, then yeah you do come off as an asshole if you're in a panfandom game.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

but but but mods can't force people to play with anyone!

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

there's levels to it, like with most things. i think we're all in agreement that the dais tagging just their 1 or 2 besties and ignoring everyone else need to stop squatting and clear out. but if a certain minority character type (ocs, kids, etc) is shunned by the game as a whole that should probably be a signal to the player they need to look for a different game. not all games character to every character type and a lot of games just allowed ocs to avoid the inevitable oc player bitchfits if they didn't. just because they don't have rules against playing ocs or kids doesn't mean the players there are interested in them. these players need to let go of their raging entitlement and just go somewhere where they're wanted instead of yelling for the mods to mandate people tag them

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

if the answer you're going for is 'absolutely nothing', then you'd be correct. mods can't force people to either a) tag people that no one else is just to get tags for that person or b) ask people to tag 'outside their comfort zone' unless that comfort zone consists of one-three players. in that case, they're playing in a small, cliquey circle and might as well psl it up. it'd be nice if more players were open to playing with a lot of cr, but the fact is, we're creatures of comfort and want what's familiar and fun for us. you can't make anyone tag someone that they don't want to. not specifically. the mods can (and have) said 'hey, you're only tagging three people repeatedly. we'd like to see you add a fourth and fifth this ac', but they can't say 'you're only tagging three-four people, we need you to tag johnny specifically'.