rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2016-01-05 03:19 pm

Found the token ace

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Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-01-11 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Agree with much of this (for example being allowed to speak your mind, even if your opinions are shitty, so long as you're not calling individuals out) but not the making friends part. It's not our job to educate and normalize and take that abuse so that others will come around.

In a situation like this where I was to rub shoulders I'd only get close enough to watch carefully for anything that could be considered abuse, then report her to the mods.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-01-11 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
She creates a toxic environment. That is not good for a game, and there are people not wanting to app because of her presence.

That's pretty harmful.

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(Anonymous) 2016-01-12 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
How do people not understand this?

The overall health of the game is way more important than protecting the hurt feefees of a noxious asshole that doesn't even treat their friends with respect.

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(Anonymous) 2016-01-12 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Racists and homophobes should not get a pass in an environment where we are not legally required to deal with their toxic asses. I get enough of that shit at work. I don't need it in a hobby, and MoL isn't getting my app for it.

I love games like this, but I'm not comfortable with mods who won't do shit to protect their playerbase, current and incoming.

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(Anonymous) 2016-01-12 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm this close to just impulse dropping after learning all this, but there are a few other friends I really like in here that make me not want to.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-13 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to suggest this: take it up with the mods themselves. Even if you guys consider them "shit" for not tossing Phase to the curb the second she did stuff like this, they are reasonable people.

No OBVIOUS sock accounts, no attempted anon postings, PM them or contact them on Plurk or something. Let them know that you want to play, but you won't because she's there and you feel that being there is a deterrent.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-13 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Phase isn't going to change her tune and it isn't our responsibility to help her do so.

If you want something done then all of you need to speak up whether you're a current, former, or incoming player. Let the mods know you have a problem with her behavior. There shouldn't be need for anon or socking it up since the contact post is screened last time I checked. None of you should have any concerns about Phase finding out.

The mods concern should be preventing these kind of toxic environments from happening and acting in favor of the best interests of their players into account when making these decisions. If you make it clear to them that you're uncomfortable, then they should take action.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
the thing is, i'm being told i shouldn't go to them with a sock account. i already don't feel comfortable or safe and i should have to risk my standing in the game and what enjoyment i already have to do so. i understand that they would want accountability but even if it is anon so long as it isn't someone just screaming they're shit or general nastiness and i present why i feel uncomfortable they should listen.

like other people have said, it creates a toxic game environment and it scares off potential players. i can't enable any of my friends between phase and "madiline" and i personally feel like i can't trust the mods under my own name. if they're protecting these people now because they haven't done anything, i don't want to be accused of stirring the pot or have bad standing. as is, they haven't even addressed their feelings on all this wank or even made any kind of statement? they don't even have to be specific even just saying their standing remains the same but treating me and my concerns like they're nothing unless they're logged in and direct when i know they're seeing them is cause for concern. if i didn't love my cr here i would drop just for this reason. i don't have confidence in my mods at all at this point.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
did you even read the ooc post they posted a couple days ago? they specifically ask for people to approach them if they feel uncomfortable or want to share a concern.

it's fine if you want to stay anon at all costs. but you shouldn't expect rpanons or wankgate to do your job. if you really want something to be done, contact them.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
^This. Listen, do you want to know something? I'm a player there I've talked to the mods. I showed them this post. I told them that I was concerned about Phase's presence here if a post like this showed up. Do you know what they told me?

They told me that if they were other players, that they should come forward and let them know. That the anon assumption that the mods knew of Phase's toxicity and refused to do something was completely false. That to kick her out because of her political standings was completely wrong and beyond their power to do so but they were willing to do so if the players themselves came forward and told them that Phase made them uncomfortable.

Before that point, no one has. Either the players don't realize Phase is toxic, the players do and they don't care, or the players do and they're taking the passive aggressive route and not touching her and hoping she gets the hint and walks off.

These mods are awesome and kind people willing to talk to you for any reason. Believe me, I was scared to confront them with this post because I was afraid that they would brush it off, but they didn't and their reply was concise and friendly.

Please, if you feel uncomfortable, confront the mods. Do what you have to do, but like the above anon said, you can't expect this place or Wankgate to do this job.

da

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
not for nothin, but

" That to kick her out because of her political standings was completely wrong and beyond their power to do so"

that's just completely false. there's no law saying they can't. they're just straight up unwilling because of some misguided attachment to a misunderstanding of what free speech means. they absolutely can do this, they're just too chickenshit to do so.

+1

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, really. this is a hobby. mods don't get paid. they can kick someone out for posting selfies on plurk if they want. they'll get shat on for it, and it'll make no damn sense, but if that's what they wanna do, they're well within their rights. kicking someone out for being an open bigot is MORE than understandable, especially with so many LGBT and POC players in the game.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
omfg nothing makes me happier than anons who accuse people of being cowards. i love starting off my day with a big steaming helping of hypocrisy!

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm anon because it's the culture of this place, not because I'm afraid of having this opinion attached to me. For what it's worth, I'm not a player in the game, though I have considered playing there in the past.

I've run games before. I've been a mod off and on at several games for damn near ten years now. Coming from that experience, I can't help but get frustrated at mods who think they are somehow obligated to uphold things like this. You're the mods. It's YOUR game. No one is holding you accountable to some higher ideal of freedom of expression.

Fact is, there is no such thing as free speech in RP, because removing Phase from a game for being a shitheel bigot isn't censoring her. She can still spout her vile shit. She just has to do so elsewhere. She is not entitled to play in this game. No one is.

AYRT

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
To be honest, if people started to do that, we'd end up reaching the point where mods would toss people out for even the flimsiest of excuses.

I would rather have people come to me and let me know that what they're doing is making them uncomfortable than tossing them on a whim.

Re: AYRT

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
don't start that "slippery slope" bullshit with me, open and hateful bigotry is not a flimsy excuse.

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Re: da

(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
i think referring to bigotry, racism, and misogyny as "political leanings" is also pretty disgusting and acting like that's politics is completely incorrect. it's basic rights and not being a piece of shit.

this isn't about gun control, that's politics. policing a woman's body and if same sex can marry same sex can be part politics but they are not just politics and to refer to them as just such is a false equivalent and placing the blame on anything but phase herself and using it as an excuse. these things should never be referred to in such a way because you remove who or what she votes for and those damaging, disgusting beliefs still remain and are detrimental to people and this community.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This is actually a lie. I directly commented to them, although anon, about my concerns. Just because it's anon doesn't mean it should be ignored. I didn't call names, I stated my case and why, stated that she was banned from other games and why, and even made a point that people I knew were uncomfortable apping to the game or bringing their issues to the mods because it didn't make them have any confidence in them.

Now that I know they're lying about that, I'm pretty disgusted and probably will be leaving soon. What a fucking game.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that's actually kind of disgusting.

AYRT

(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just stating what they told me. As it stands, we both could be lying through our teeth, but the anons here will most likely believe you because you are of the stance that, as a player against Phase, your concerns have been dismissed by the mods and thus uphold the idea that the mods are "shit" for not automatically tossing out Phase the second she opened her mouth, if not the second she showed up in-game.

Honestly, at this point, I give up trying to convince people to take a stand. I said my part, now it's up to you. If you decide to quit, I'm sorry to see you go, whomever you are. And for those who don't want to play, it's quite the shame that you aren't because it's quite fun. But, if you want to make it fun and if you guys really feel that Phase's presence really does make you feel uncomfortable, instead of sitting here and making RPAnons Wankgate Lite or expecting the mods to believe the legion of anonymous posters, come at them as yourselves.

Otherwise, we're just running around in circles.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
remember everyone: there is no wank in ba sing se.

excuse me, i meant melodies of life. thank you.

Re: AYRT

(Anonymous) 2016-01-16 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
They're not shit for not automatically throwing her out, but they're shit for ignoring player concerns. I like some of the mods, a lot. They're very good friends.

But they're siding with someone who directly thinks my sexuality is disgusting and awful and that I shouldn't have basic rights.

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(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it even possible to be able to view replies to screened anonymous comments you post? Honest question.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-15 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
yes? the reply isn't necessarily screened. you won't see the original comment but you can presumably guess which is answering you from context, or if they say "to the anon who posted at x time"

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(Anonymous) 2016-01-14 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
in other words, you just want to whine like a child under anon and do nothing to solve "the phase problem"

ok