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see that's part of the appeal to me, that we don't know why certain things fit. the mods may have seen something in the app that the player isn't thinking of. i like trying to figure it out. plus, they did say that the character won't always get the most obvious choice. ngl i hope the mods keep their super secret lists just that. i always get a little pissed when things like that are spoiled immediately.

To me that's just an excuse to be random, to be honest, especially with that "top secret list" of theirs. So some people are going to get what they signed up for (a monster that fits/conflicts/either of those two) and others ... not? What? Why do I have to make a list anyway if it may or may not matter?

So actually, that top secret list shouldn't be secret at all. You won't be able to put OOC stuff onto your list so it's not like you'll be able to 'cheat' or something.

just because it's not immediately super obvious doesn't mean it's not a good fit for the character. at least let us play for a few months before you guys start demanding the choice criteria.

If one half of the game is a super obvious fit/conflict and the other isn't, for no good reason given at all, that's just kind of shitty.

no, it's not. some just aren't as obvious. and that's okay. that's actually more fun.

i signed up for a little bit of a surprise factor, which is why i don't even want to know the criteria.

has anyone who said fitting/contradicting actually gotten something that doesn't fit/contradict at all? (just being curious, this isn't meant to be an attack on anyone.)

I found at least one person that had "conflicts" and two traits listed that were on the very monster page of the one they got. Not even on this "super secret list" ... just right there out in the open. Try and tell me that makes a lick of sense.

to be honest, that sounds to me like something they should talk to a mod about, if they actually have a problem with it themselves and it's not just you, a third person, who sees a problem.

to me, the entire thing depends on far too many unknown factors to be easily overview ed from an outside perspective. what did the person opt out of? what are the rest of the traits? are the traits listed on the page optional or mandatory? not actually expecting answers, since i don't want you or anyone else to be outed.

They don't seem to have a problem with it, but it proves that they weren't trying to make sense with their choices. Well, at least not all the time. I'd be fine with it if it were random/"less obvious" or actually fitting/conflicting/either for everyone, but it isn't and that's the one problem I have with how monsters are being handled. Everyone should be treated equally and not differently when the mods feel like it without letting the player know.

Could have avoided that problem easily by just making it totally random for everyone, but no, they had to come up with some superficial way to determine monsters that isn't the same for each player, which makes the whole thing pointless and totally random again, just random in disguise.

let me get this straight, the person has no problem with it, they don't seem to disagree with the mods, but because you disagree, the mods selection was random and unfitting?

what

Apparently has no problem with it, I haven't spoken to them about it.

And yes, if someone chooses "conflicts" and gets a monster that obviously has traits the player listed, that's plain idiotic.

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It proves that the optional mental changes in the bestiary are not the only traits they're going off of and might not even be the most important ones. That's all.

Sorry you're butthurt about your monster (and you say you're totally fine with it but you're clearly butthurt that you didn't get one of the few you decided were perfect for your character in advance), but the mods were always upfront about the fact that not every choice will be obvious. Not every character even HAS an obvious choice - there are 19 monsters, iirc, and over a hundred characters, every single character isn't going to be a perfect fit for one of the 19. Most people use all 5 opt outs, so in that case there were only 14 possible monsters they had a chance to fit perfectly with.

I'll be the first one to say the mods have made some poor decisions in regards to apps, but in this case you're just making up your own trait list based on wild guesses and crying "random in disguise" when the mod decision doesn't sync up with it. There might not have been a monster that fit or conflicted your character well, or you might have opted out of it. You SAY there were ones that fit, but you're going on personal speculation or one or two traits at most.

Can't crack their system after a single app round and figure out every trait out of the potentially hundreds submitted that go with every monster? THEY MUST BE BULLSHITTING THEIR ENTIRE METHOD!! I've seen people say the mods made a poor choice because they didn't pick a monster with abilities that resemble their canon character's powers, and I've seen some people with just plain shitty trait lists, so while the mods aren't prefect I'm not exactly trusting the playerbase to objectively determine whether their monster fit or not.

omfg

Dude, I've been excitedly plotting with people ever since the reveal and have drawn various versions of the transformed character, as well as reading up on both the myth and the animal. I'm more than okay with the monster I got.

Just not the way the mods handle the monster-picking thing. That's not the same thing as hating on the monster you got at all.

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I have no horse in this race yet, but I agree that the criteria shouldn't be secret. If it's personality traits for the monsters involved, shouldn't we know ALL of them so once we get a monster we can plot properly? Who cares if someone tries to game the system? They can't go totally OOC with their personality traits or they'll get rejected.

no, you shouldn't. because people will use that to cheat the system and get what monsters they want. it's not just the traits that pick your monster, anon. it's the character in question and what you picked as either/conflict/fit. the traits just give them a narrower search, but if they look at the traits and see them conflicting with the personality section to try to get their monster of choice, they are under no obligation to play along with the cheating. and putting up lists of 'this is why you're ___' is basically saying "find a way to figure it out so you can tailor a new char to this monster"

stop trying to find ways to pick a monster. you don't get to.

That isn't even what I want to do, wow. I just want to know how to change my character after the fact! If there were lists of traits and mental changes for monsters that people only got access to AFTER their monster was selected I would be perfectly fine with that too.

yeah, but you're asking for something that can be abused and used to get people who haven't joined yet/people who want more chars in to 'pick the monster they want'. there's a reason it's vague. the traits listed already are all you need to know. each manticore is going to be different because of who they originally were. your character's core personality doesn't just disappear. saying 'all manticores hate peanuts and like to stomp around' would imply that everyone has to act the same in that regards and that's not really how it works.

(manticores are obviously just an example)

...Why do you give that much of a fuck if people "game the system"?

because it's fucking cheating, you assburger. you join up for a game that has a randomized monster pick option. you don't join up to find a sneaky way to get the exact monster you want while others who might be a bit more disappointed in their pick learn how to adapt and play with it anyway. don't be such a fucking tool.

yooo, i agree with your sentiment, but you need to stop and chill the fuck out brosis. you're just sounding like an asshat here.

and hey, let's keep the autism stuff down too maybe

If it's personality traits for the monsters involved, shouldn't we know ALL of them so once we get a monster we can plot properly?

Hadn't even thought about this yet, to be honest. Good point.

Potential apper, that's one of the biggest things drawing me to the game. I like the idea that the mods could look at my app and go beyond the obvious choice to let me try out something I wouldn't have even thought of if I was given the choice on my own.

So they could just make it officially totally random instead of pretending there's some secret formula they're following. For some people. And others not.

I get what you're saying here about the "either" option being possibly randomized and it would probably be a good idea for the mods to mention that "either" could mean randomly selected if that is the case.

But I think it's fairly easy to avoid for future appers if they just select "fits" or "contrasts" or, if they want to choose "either", make a note specifying that they want a monster that either fits or contrasts since "either" is kind of an ambiguous term.

It could just be a case of the mods figuring that if someone picks "either", they don't really care what monster type they get as long as it's not an opt out.

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