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i'm just mad at how the plot was handled in general.

the anime was just so tight and cohesive plot-wise (until the end) and rebellion is a frigging mess by comparison. maybe i'm biased because i've always been more interested in kyouko/sayaka/mami but wtf do those three actually do? mami and homu have a pretty, well-animated fight… that has no stakes or impact on anything as far as i can remember. kyouko and sayaka chase each other around and act overly cutesy, then they get into these abstract conversations that don't seem particularly ic or purposeful, and then they get thrown into a fight where they appear to have no real grasp of what's going on? — much like me at that point.

to be fair it's been a while since i watched it and now that there's a clean version available to the masses i can watch it again, but i just hate schlocky writing in anime where ~magical things~ happen that have no precedence and/or don't abide by the in-universe rules that have been established for the audience.

like in the series we get introduced to new rules about magical girls and soul gems throughout but they make sense when put together with what we already know. more importantly, the stakes are clearly defined so that, like, when we learn magical girls turn into withces, that sayaka/mami ain't gonna like that too much, now let's see how they'd deal with it! etc.

in rebellion, we get a fake homura world that the audience recognizes is off in some way right from the get-go because it doesn't line up with what we saw of the world the anime leaves us with. so we start with a fake world with fake versions of the other characters while things only get more and more abstract from there… and the investment then comes from where, exactly? especially since it seems ambiguous whether homura is aware and in control of whatever the hell is going on.

sorry for the mostly unrelated tl;dr but the plot and structure of the movie did not impress me, and imo those elements were what really stood out in the anime.

The in-universe rules are there, they just don't really tell you how they fit. For example, the film is the result of a loophole in Madoka's wish (erasing witches before they are born with her own hands) but they don't actually say this and leave it to the viewers to puzzle out.

The Mami fight feels pointless because it is supposed to be pointless. Rebellion is in part an exploration and deconstruction of Homura's character. Homura gets into a fight with Mami because that is basically her relationship with Mami. The fight could have been avoided if Homura just bothered to explain herself. But of course she doesn't. Too many fans have an idealized version of Homura where she's just better than the other characters...and really, she isn't.

imo the bigger holes are the over 9000 demon thing, why sayaka and kyoko are suddenly cuddling, why there are ghosts, why nagisa is one of the cool kids now and what the deal with the new world is

but i agree with the total mess thing

also butthurt at kyuubey feeling emotions

In order, figure it out yourself, Sayaka remembers previous timelines, its how the Law of Cycles works, Nagisa had a convenient disguise, and it's supposed to be ambiguous.

Thanks for playing.

why does being obsessed.mp3 over someone make them "beyond hope and despair", and why is homurathe only magical girl in history to be obsessed.mp3

were kyoko/sayaka a thing in previous timelines and does kyoko remember them now too

why does nagisa show up and give a fuck about the crew when she's had 0 association with them before aside from eating mami's head

are we supposed to think of magical girl deaths as sad and meaningful when they're chilling in the afterlife homestuck-style

Here's my guess:
1.)Homura wished to become someone strong enough to protect Madoka.
2.)Madoka wished to erase all witches before they are born.
3.)Kyubey said that if Madoka can be seen she can be interfered with.

Sayaka remembers what it's like to be a witch, which means she remembers Kyoko's sacrifice. And that was just in that one timeline. Think about Madoka's "You really were my very best friend" speech, and change the names. Kyoko remembers Sayaka disappearing in Episode 12, and feeling upset over it.

Nagisa wanted to eat cheese. Moreover, Madoka did her a huge favor (stopping her from being Charlotte) so it's only natural that she wants to help, just like the other ex-witches helped by sending their familiars. Nagisa went herself because of her convenient disguise. (Kyubey has no idea what the heck Charlotte is. He'd sure as heck recognize Nagisa though.)

Well, all we know about the afterlife is all the vanished magical girls go there, and there's no cheese. So maybe it's more like Buddhist nirvana. On the other hand, I never really liked how magical girls still have to die when their magic runs out.

kyuubey really needs to start putting escape clauses in his contracts

this retroactive modification of wishpowers due to new developments lmao

Well we knew something happened to Homura's powers due to the whole "Madoka doesn't exist anymore" thing.

That's kind of what I was saying though?

You'd think some advanced logical aliens like the incubators would take into account person/situation based wishes changing due to new developments but apparently it's never been a problem before or something whoops (what happens if a circle of girls wishes to be stronger, strong enough to protect the others from anything that might threaten them? Infinite recursion of power boosts as long as karma provides?); that's the only reason I can see for not including an escape clause other than some equivalent exchange bs. It's still shortsighted as hell for a species that thinks on the long term the way they do.

In which case fuck they're idiots for playing with that kind of fire.

*ongoing situation/person based wishes

or really wishes based on an ongoing effect in general rather than an instantaneous one-off one like "I wish for my boyfriend's hand to be healed", it took me a moment to process that properly

Ah, I see what you mean now.

Homura was a special case since not many magical girls could do what Madoka did. And Kyubey certainly didn't expect Madoka's wish.

I guess we can chalk this up to Kyubey being "arrogant", shall we say, and thinking that there's no way the "crazy" humans can threaten them or their system. Which explains Rebellion - Kyubey believed he could learn how to control a god. That's pretty darn arrogant.

I don't understand why people call this a mess. It's clearly carefully constructed.

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