rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2012-02-22 10:08 pm

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Charly is flat and uninspired. I've certainly seen worse Tonks players, but it's like reading a 12 y/o writing a self-insert badfic. As for Grimm, I'm just tired of them throwing their little kid character into really inappropriate posts. I literally cringe every time Trowa talks to someone like Azrael or the Scarecrow.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
I kind of avoid the HP cast in general for Murder reasons, but I can see what you mean. I didn't want to crit with "she sounds boring, go fix it" though, since I really have no other input than that.

As for Trowa, I...kind of agree? I mean yeah, sure, get CR with your kid. Whatever. But it's kind of expected of somebody playing a character with that age and maturity level for them to interact with other kids or benign adults, not...supervillains. It puts everybody involved into an awkward position.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a little uncomfortable with the Andromeda and how she's portrayed but I can tolerate them. My main problem with that cast is Murder and she's the only reason I hesitate to interact with any of them.

I understand the character is inquisitive, but he's not of abnormally high intelligence and is cautious of adults, it would seem? It comes off as very attention-seeking and I know at least of one person who was not contacted prior and was thrust into an awkward position with this iteration of Trowa. I know of some people who had problems with the character before the age-down where Grimm would jump in with the character and without contacting them OOC would put them in a position where they basically would have to agree to whatever or seem like a jerk (but in these cases they would have been a jerk for denying them no matter what).

Another thing I dislike is how they are always bringing up plots and characters they played forever ago. I know someone who wanted to play someone Grimm (or Ty?) played in the past, but chose not to app for that reason.

+1, da

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
I was wondering if I was the only one who felt the Andromeda was off. I don't think a character that relies on so much head-canon should have been accepted to the game, but beyond that the CR between her and Dick (and Damian) makes me really uncomfortable. Dick is 28 at the oldest and Andromeda has to be MAYBE 54 at the youngest.

The 'sexy' PB choice is probably part of it, but her tags often read like a gentler version of early Nancy Botwin or an original character set in the HP universe with the name of a canon character.

dda

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
According to the mun on the not!meme at GDS, Andromeda is 46 in game. Personally I don't have any objections to the age difference, but if it really concerns you, you may want to mention it to Lettie and Lyrie.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
The age difference doesn't bother me, but the OOCness of the relationship and how she is written like a fan character does.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone in the HP cast please don't avoid the rest of the cast because of one or two people, if there's people you want to play with play with them! If you want to plot with them and don't want a certain character all up in it it can be easily avoided, especially if you tell the person that. I'm sure they'd understand, I know I would, at least, because I would hate to have little to no CR just because of a person.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the Bella, Draco, Fred, George, and Ron. I'm not even sure if we still have a Luna, but I liked them when they were around. I would like to have CR with these people, but I don't want to have to thread with the rest of the cast at some point if my characters become close to any of them.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously, don't avoid them, I can only assure you that it's easy to avoid contact with the characters you don't want to play with!

Also Luna's still in the game. :)

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay! I think I'll try tagging into one of their posts sometime, then! :)

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree on the basis that "making you uncomfortable" isn't the best argument as to why a player shouldn't do something. There's plenty of things that happen in this game other plays do that might make someone "uncomfortable"...but that's sort of the nature of the game.

Is some of Trowa's CR questionable? Yes. There are villains in the game. It happens. Especially if said villains are actually *nice* to him. How's a 6-year-old supposed to know somebody is "bad" if they are nice to him?

But if you're going to be purely objective and not just name-drop, the same can be said for all the kids. I'm fairly certain you could find examples of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM interacting with villains.
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[personal profile] thesoundofsilence 2012-03-01 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Just popping in to say that I have a personal HMD for Trowa and am always willing to talk with others on it.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
lol hi ty

da

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
How about Grimm uses their fucking out of character judgment? A post about rape or murder is obviously not aimed at a little boy. The player seems to get off on playing damsel in distress/center of attention, but it's really fucking uncool to put people in that sort of position.

It isn't about interacting with villains but how it is done. I'm sure anyone could complain about the villain/kid interaction at some point, but the only players that I have seen actively seek out this kind of thing (posts obviously about sex, rape, murder, skeevy shit, ect) are Grimm and whoever plays that annoying little girl cast mate.

This is about using common sense, not about characters talking to characters of different walks of life.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
if the castmate is who I think it is I'm more annoyed by their refusal to use the localization of their name because it's just not ~*right*~ or whatever.

sorry dude, official translators definitely have one up on you in this case.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
i thought that shit died in rp like five years ago.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
But most of the other kids in the game aren't six.

They ("they" meaning Ruka, the Homestuck cast, Luna, Nill) have all interacted with villains at some point in time, yes, but they're all aware of the danger they're putting themselves into and what kind of people they're interacting with. They take precautions, are informed enough to know these people have a history of criminal activity or violence and can't be trusted, or are willing to gamble on not getting brutally murdered over the network.

Trowa (and Midii, but more Trowa), on the other hand, seem almost painfully naive to danger. It puts more weight on other players to make sure he doesn't get brutally slaughtered by their supervillain or serial killer or whatever, since I doubt getting Trowa killed is what Grimm is going for here, and in some cases for the hero players to play nanny and make sure he doesn't end up chillaxing with Black Mask.

Can he have CR with villainous characters? Absolutely. But it can be handled in a way that doesn't inconvenience other players.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I am inclined to agree with this! Maybe someone should approach the mods about having an age limit of 12 or 13?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That would cut out Calvin and Damian :(

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-02 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I don't think a cap on one specific age down is a good idea. The problem with Trowa isn't that he's six, it's that he's six and is involved in posts and Cr that aren't necessarily appropriate for someone of his maturity level. I think it would be more beneficial for mods to look at that in a prospective character than just their age. We have child characters who are well past some of the adults in maturity and can handle the darker elements of the game just fine. As it's been pointed out before, Calvin has a college level vocabulary and despite his age has done just fine.

Like I said, it's subjective. It's also something the mods wouldn't implement any time soon or without extensive discussion with the playerbase, so there's no reason to get our feathers ruffled over it.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-01 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Ruka is a bad example, considering she learned to be wary of villains through exposure and being in dangerous situations. She was 11 when Olesia first joined.
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[personal profile] unetrustworthy 2012-03-01 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Since this is probably the closest anon is ever going to get to actually approaching me about these issues, I figured I’d just respond here:

Where are you getting the idea that she’s “naive” to danger? She has ongoing CR with maybe two villains at the moment: two conversations with Bellatrix (whom she’s openly admitted to NOT trusting), and a log where Scarecrow tagged her as a visiting doctor. That’s it. Otherwise, her main CR consists of characters like Max, Ginny, Harry Potter, Damian, Nill, Gretel, Monster, etc. I’m fairly certain Zoidberg and Bender don’t count as dangers to her, either. Frankly, unless she somehow manages to piss off and make an enemy out of Damian, the biggest danger to her right now is Trowa. And I think it’s pretty obvious why she still hangs around him. Most other CR fizzled out for one reason or another the longer she’s been in the City.

I didn’t involve her in the Skrull plot, except to briefly have her get hurt (and even then, not seriously). Her previous logs and posts have involved subjects such as Fairy Tales, Zoos, Carnivals, and other child-apropriate themes. Yes, she does occasionally talk about more mature subjects, such as death and trust. It comes with the territory of being a character growing up in war times. She has opinions about these things based on personal experiences. She spent a god majority of her time hanging around soldier camps full of older male soldiers, where even the captain has admitted to occasionally forgetting she was still "just a child". She hears things adults say when they don't think she's listening. She watched a boy her age nonchalantly blow up half his teammates because they betrayed him. She stood in a field of corpses she was responsible for getting killed and basically said “I did what I had to do” with the straightest face. That’s her character, and I really don’t understand why Damian gets a pass in all this and she doesn’t.

THAT BEING SAID, I will make you a deal anon: I will assume that these are legitimate concerns of more than one individual, and take it as constructive criticism. I’ll work on toning down the darker themes (though, for characterization purposes, I won’t omit them completely) and try to stay away from more of the villains and dangers so that people won’t be uncomfortable (despite the fact that the CR I’ve spoken to OOC have no problem with any of it themselves). And if there is anybody who I have personally offended somehow, I will apologize here and now. Is this fair?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-02 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest, I was going to include Midii in that and decided against it, since I've looked back and seen she's hardly spoken with any outright villainous characters and the CR doesn't seem awkward or forced at all. I just forgot to edit her name out, which is why everything after that is "he" instead of "they". Sorry. :(
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[personal profile] iseethestrals 2012-03-02 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry to be nitpicky but Luna was 17 when I first apped her, anon, and she's just had her 19th birthday. I wouldn't consider her a kid. Young and still somewhat naive, definitely, but not a kid.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-02 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I thought she was from an earlier canon point. Sorry about that!

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