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This game is ridiculously cliquey. Unless you're part of a big cast or buddy-buddy with certain people, it's obviously clear that you're not wanted here.

Uhm, while I can't say there aren't cliques, you also have to consider that there are over 200 characters in this game and it's consistently getting larger. Not everyone can tag into everything, especially intros because it's the same thing rehashed over and over, but people aren't going to not tag you if you tag them.

I myself am a culprit of not tagging around enough, however, I am making attempts to rectify this.

That's going a little far in saying that you're not wanted here, anon. The game has over 240 characters, and RP is a hobby - not an obligation. There are people in the game who have other games, who go to school, who have jobs. Are some people guilty of tagging around with only castmates/friends? Of course. But that's going to be in every game you join.

this reads as: we're too busy to play with you, deal with it. Nice.

I thought the exact same thing.

I'm sorry you feel that way, anon. Perhaps the best thing that can be done is another event that forces CR with new castmates? I had great CR with a person I'd never played with before because of that event.

As far as being 'too busy to play with you', that's not really far off but it's not entirely true either. Personally I do want to tag into new things, but some of my cast is so big I don't even have time to keep up with them as it is. I have to be careful with how many people I tag, new or established, to keep myself from dropping threads, which I don't want either. If you see that as an excuse, that's fine, but that's just how things work for me.

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glad i'm not the only one that read it that way

as some of the above anons have pointed out, this just comes off as incredibly rude. if this is how people in the game think no wonder its so hard to get cr. if you only want to play with castmates, don't join a panfandom rp.

I don't actually have castmates in the game, and I never meant for that statement to come off as rude as it did. It doesn't excuse anyone for being insular in their tagging, me included. I really can't apologize enough for making people think that those people are too busy, deal with it, but I also can't speak for everyone, only myself.

I really enjoy threading with people, but I also have a real life and am in another game, so I get spread too thin too easily. This is all my fault, though, and has nothing at all to do with any of the new people in the game. I'm currently trying to shift things around, so I really hope that I can start tagging more new people here.

I felt exactly the same anon, it's why I dropped. I tried to get involved and drum up CR with people but threads were often dropped and my posts were pretty much ignored. unless you play certain characters or are in with certain groups people in this game just don't want you here.

I'm honesly unsure what to do because I want to play, but I hate this feeling. I'm thinking of just dropping entirely and finding another game.

yeah that's what I ended up doing. I really wanted to keep playing too but ultimately there seemed no point if any cr I tried to build was just going to be ignored in favor of the more 'popular' characters.

I'm a brand new player and I've definitely gotten that feeling from a few of the people I've tried to tag. It's a huge bummer because I'm used to games that are a lot... warmer towards newbies, I guess?

But that said, I've also found some people who seem like they're really happy to be tagging me/other new folks, so I'd assume that it's probably a better idea to focus on tagging with the ones who return the enthusiasm and just avoid the cold fish entirely.

But yeah, to all the other people who responded to this thread feeling sort of unwanted, I'm right there with you. :( For what it's worth, I'd like to play with all of you!

Players or characters, anon? I know one of mine is abrupt and abrasive and will occasionally cut conversations off short because they see no point in continuing to talk to someone - which is a canon trait, and one they share with a small collection of other characters in the game. And I'm really hoping that hasn't put anyone off tagging me, since I'll tag forever with my more gregarious character.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-02-15 09:42 (UTC) - Expand

Do something interesting. Do something interesting. I cannot stress this enough. Those posts, especially those intro posts, that have a dozen or so people tagging in? They have that dozen or so people tagging in because they caught those people's eye. Sometimes just by being a castmate, or a non-castmate who's a beloved character from a childhood fandom or whatever, sometimes by being a giant fucking bug thing slamming its head against the freezers. The precise what doesn't matter; what matters is they set themselves apart.

There are over 200 characters, and there would have been even more if we hadn't shed a lot in the move to DW. The game is only three months old. That means there is a hell of a lot less leeway for retreading the same tired ground that there might be in an older game, because not only has everyone read and replied to those posts before, they've probably done it five times in the last week. If you want to kickstart CR, do something different. Put the effort in to stand out from the herd, or if you prefer being tagger to taggee, sustain the effort necessary to make character connections.

The game's not cliquey so much as it is absolutely gigantic, and it is very easy to get lost if you don't put in the work to stand out from the crowd. People aren't going to handhold you into getting CR, because even the most outgoing and conscientious of us just do not have enough hands.

and yet another person whose comment amounts to "this is your fault, not the games fault, you should just try harder"

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mnu_spreads_lies - 2012-02-15 01:17 (UTC) - Expand

I totally agree with this. I joined this game with no castmates, knowing no one, but I play an interesting character, imo, and I try to make sure the things I post aren't boring. I try to stand out and create something I think people would want to respond to. It took a little while but I got CR and made friends. Having a negative attitude about it isn't going to help either.

Also, this is a big game and characters will only reply to what they would ICly be interested in. So do something interesting. Don't app a boring character if you want them to get a ton of CR. I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I've been in and out of panfandom games for seven years and that's just how it works.

Yes, the game is cliquey. ALL games are cliquey. If you want cr with someone, tag them. Tag everyone. Don't sit here and whine that you don't get tags if you aren't tagging around actively.

problem is, some of us ARE tagging around only to have threads dropped after 5 - 6 tags, on top of posts being ignored. You can try to detract the blame away from the cliques all you want, but the fact is that some people are being ignored and others favored.

Just check out the posts. You'll see a load of them with only 12 - 30 tags total, than a bit higher up one with 100+ tags. tell me there isn't something wrong with that.

When I first apped in, my intro post sat for 24hrs before 1 person even tagged it. Intro influx or not, this is the most unfriendly game I've ever apped into.

How do you know that they aren't tagging around actively, though? Because judging from some of these comments here, it seems that people are trying but are still being overlooked.

I feel you anon. I'm kind of annoyed with people acting like they're interested in plotting with me and then dropping the PLOT THREAD after one or two comments, or never hearing anything from them after that let alone getting to the threads we're actually talking about doing

I'm staying right now because the people who have tagged me I'm having a lot of fun with. I've made an effort to tag other peoples posts rather than make some of my own, in order to maybe pull out some CR that way. I do feel like I'm drowning at the game, but I'm hoping things pick up.

uh. I just have to point out that this isn't a new thing:

http://rpanoncomm.livejournal.com/17656.html?thread=162456056#t162456056

That thread is from late December. If it's still happening after two months I doubt it will change.

And this was when the game was even more new and there were even more intros at the same time.

i think people are wanted here. but as a member of a large cast, and given the speed of the game, i have to say that i find it hard enough to keep up with everything else that my cast are doing much less break into any others. i have to be honest and say that if i see a post from one of the other large casts, i'm extremely likely to pass it by because i know they'll have lots of people waiting to reply to them.

i do try to tag outside my cast, though, and i have decent CR with quite a few characters who aren't in my cast. i will admit that if there's five new posts and two are from other members of my cast, those are the ones i'm going to be giving the most attention to, but i think that's the same in any game. it's just that there's a few genuinely huge casts here so it's more noticeable than in other places.

i also agree with the anon who said it was important to try and do something different. i think intro posts don't get many tags because so many people just enter with some variation on 'what is this place? i need to get home!' and there's only so many times you can have the explaining/information giving thread in any one day before you just get bored of writing the same thing.

also i'd say that the cliquey thing goes two ways. i'm in a large cast, but that means most of the tags i get are coming from people in my cast and not outside it. the best way to break into what you see as a clique is to tag people that are in it, bro. see how far it gets you. maybe dropped threads will happen, but like i said up there, it can be easy to fall into the habit of just tagging cast members because there's so many of them. maybe tag me first instead of hoping i'll tag you. make the effort, don't just wait for cr to come and grab your hand because that isn't gonna happen.

I'm also in one of the large casts. Between 40 and 70% of my outbound tags in a given week are aimed at characters who aren't in my cast. (Yes, I keep track.) I'd be willing to bet it's the same for a lot of the large groups, because while some of us are insular, most of us are aware that we're going to be accused of it by virtue of being in a large cast and try to combat that perception.

My inbound tags? Almost entirely from cast members.

Cliqueyness (or just regular herd fragmentation) is definitely a two-way street, and the game's big enough that waiting for someone you want to play with to tag you is a losing proposition. I know I personally can't usually tag more than ten posts in a week and actually keep up with the threads, and especially during intro season, that's a drop in the bucket.

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