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Reading: On my pull list I have Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, and Ultimate Spider-man, all of which I enjoy the hell out of. I also may read the last few issues of Amazing Spider-man because I read the most recent issue in the store (with the two Hobgoblins) and really enjoyed it.

Trade-wise, I recently picked up the first volume each of Hickman's Fantastic Four and FF in preparation for the Marvel NOW! series that'll be coming out for those. Also read through most of the first volume of Matt Fraction's Defenders because Hawkeye made me want to read more of his stuff. So far I don't like it nearly as much as Hawkeye, but it's pretty decent and I've heard it gets much better after #6. I'd believe them, since I snuck a peek at the final issue on the rack and it looked great. And lastly, I so want to read more of Mark Waid's Daredevil, but I haven't been able to find volume 2 around in any of my LCS's. :( May have to give in and either buy digitally, or torrent it for now and buy it when I can find it.

Eager to Check Out the First Issues: the new Fantastic Four & FF, Young Avengers, Fearless Defenders, and Lady Sif's Journey Into Mystery; maybe also Avengers Arena, Indestructible Hulk, All-New X-Men, and Superior Spider-man

Will Not Be Reading: the new Deadpool. I read the first issue and was incredibly underwhelmed with the exception of the bit that had already been previewed on ComicsAlliance. For the most part it's just... bad. If Brian Posehn is a professional comedian, either he is not bringing his A-game due to it being "just a comic", or he is a major hack. Either that or Gerry Duggan is the one that's sucking.

Also will not be reading the new Iron Man because it was kind of meh to me. Good art, though.

Will Tentatively Check Out Second Issues of: Uncanny Avengers (was not impressed with #1), Red She-Hulk (really hoping it gets better)

> Iron Man
>> Land
>>> Good art???

Hahaha admittedly I did not look that closely at Iron Man. I started to read it thoughtfully but got bored and skimmed the rest. Land does the Iron Man armor really well, so maybe that's why I got that impression. The coloring throughout is good too. Looking at some images online again, yeah, his faces look really strange, especially for women.

His art doesn't look terrible overall, though? I'll admit to not being familiar with his past work, though (I'm a new-ish Marvel reader). Has he been really bad in the past?

he traces porn

sometimes he even traces porn he's already traced

again

and again

and again and again and again and again

If the Iron Man armor looks good, it's 'cause he traces movie stills, other artists, and freakin' cosplayers. For example: http://fuck-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/post/30076186339/anklewings-greatbriton

Guy's the biggest hack working in comics today, plus his porn traces of women go from regular old lazy into aggressively offensive sexism.

Oh. Oh wow, yeah, that's bad. That's downright shameless. I completely and gladly rescind my original comment about the art in Iron Man #1, then. o_o

It's common for people who are newish to comics and don't have any art training to take a little while to catch on to Land, because his work is superficially very polished.

A while back there was an artist recs thread, which I found through the magic of Google, blessed be its name. Anyway, here're some good artists to look into: http://rpanons.dreamwidth.org/14323.html?thread=46595059#cmt46595059

Yeah, it's definitely hard to catch on to at just a glance. I appreciate the help!

Thanks for the link! Love Paolo Rivera, David Aja, and Sara Pichelli. <3 Dexter Soy has grown on me, too, thanks to Captain Marvel. I didn't like his style at first, but now I find myself sad to not see his style in the book anymore.

Noooooooo problem. Friends don't let friends give money to Greg Land, especially when there are a million talented artists out there.

Fraction's Hawkeye is, IMO, the best thing he's done in recent memory. His Defenders series wasn't terrible, I guess, but as a fan of the older Defenders stuff, I think I'm predisposed to judge his "new spin" on it pretty hard. His Iron Fist series with Ed Brubaker is also solid, but I have no idea what percentage of that was Fraction and what was Brubaker. Avoid his X-Men unless you're in it for the train wreck, in which case, it's fab. Hilarity all the way through.

Different anon obv, but Land is notorious for being terrible about photo tracing. If you google for him, you can find various posts people have made with multiple covers featuring the exact same ridiculous, unrealistic pose or expression. His women also generally look like pornstars. Even the teenagers. He's earned a certain ire amongst most marvel fans for all the reasons listed above.

Also anon, I recommend checking again at your LCS or even a barnes and noble for DD v2. It's the prolific Kevin Smith and then Bendis/Maleev, then Brubaker runs and it's something that I find to be one of the most available things around here. If they don't have it in stock,maybe they can even order it for you because I know it's still in print. Good luck!

All good to know on the Fraction front, thanks! I think I'll continue Defenders because it's only 12 issues, so it's not a huge investment. The next Fraction thing I was going to check out after that was Casanova, which I'm told is the thing most similar to Hawkeye he's done in both quality and style. Any opinions on that one?

Ah yeah, the anon above's link demonstrated the tracing thing pretty well, and Google Image search reveals some not so flattering things on the tracing and porn/pinup fronts. o_o As said above, I wholeheartedly withdraw my first comment about his art now that I am informed.

I'll admit I'm a little hesitant to try the previous Daredevil because what I love about this current run is how fun it is, and I'm told the Daredevil stuff prior to this series is all pretty doom and gloom for Matt. I'm sure the previous series are well-written and I'll probably get to them eventually, but if they're largely dark and depressing, I'm not sure I'll get to them all that quickly because that's not what I want out of a Daredevil comic right now. I could have been informed wrong, though, so if I have been, let me know?

I have no real opinions on Casanova. I want to say I read it a really long time ago for a book club? But it didn't leave much of an impression either way. Which can be good! If I don't remember it with the same rage I feel toward Fraction's X-Men, or Defenders stuff, it was probably just not my cup of tea. But then I like my spy fiction a little more on the serious end.

Waid's Daredevil is a callback to the early 70s stuff, prior to Miller taking over the book and really defining DD as the gritty character he's been in modern comics. The runs I mentioned (Smith, Bendis, and Brubaker) each have a heavier tone to them, definitely, but it all eventually leads up to Andy Diggle's Shadowland event... Basically a 100-issue long nervous breakdown for Matt. It's definitely interesting if you decide you like the character, even though Shadowland was, generally speaking, a less than fulfilling end to that whole plotline. ... This is getting long, I'm sorry. But I do think you can appreciate Waid's Daredevil without knowing the full backstory. tl;dr, I'd recommend it even without v2, but v2 is still great if you decide you want more.

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