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[(Anonymous)]

why is apping to a dwrp game so much work?

1) write a top level for the tdm. you want to put your best food forward of course so you know this top level is going to take time. and tag around
2) write an app - fine, especially if you're recyling an app, but sometimes you have to start from scratch and that's always a lot of time and energy
3) once you get accepted you have to do the usual paperwork (taken list, make an inbox, link to permissions, add comms, ac page, join chat)
4) write an ooc intro post or fill the next cr meme form

and yes these additional things are optional but lbr, again, you know you want to put your best foot forward and be as approachable as possible to everyone in the game! so you're going to do them!

5) pretty up your journal with navigation, inbox, any other game-specific info stuff such as;
6) fill in any game-specific custom permissions forms or tailor-making game specific info sheets (because so many games give you powers or transformations or inventory or let you do housing or a businesses or whatever)
7) because you want as much visibility and accessibility as possible you're going to cc everything in your plurk and in the game chat
8) finally, after a month of meticulous busywork, you get you play in the first game event

it's been so long since i've been in a game and idk if i'm out of touch or if i'm finally realizing why newbies find dwrp games so daunting. i'm exhausted before i even start playing

[(Anonymous)]

When more than half your list is unnecessary fluff (most games don't require you hit the tdm and exactly 0 require you to top level instead of tagging around), this seems like a hell of a lot more of a you problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I almost never actually spend time prettying up my journal or filling out any optional info pages. I don’t care about that stuff. You can also skip the tdm top level and tag around instead, or even use a meme thread or something for samples and skip the tdm entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

you might not care about that stuff but many people in this community have said time and time again they won't even tag people if they don't have an info/permissions post somewhere in their journal

and like. when i'm in a game i personally greatly appreciate when players do go the extra mile and pretty up journals, and make a nice easy to navigate splash page so i don't have to hunt and guess whether i'm about to icly stray into a no no topic with them or waste my time asking if they want to ship it when they have info right there saying yes/no

i think everyone who does does fill out optional info pages would agree that even if they do it for fun/are going to do it anyway, they would be annoyed if someone made a tagging faux pas/obviously didn't look after putting all that time and energy into putting all that info out there for someone else to read.

[(Anonymous)]

a little of column a and a little of column b.

tdm is absolutely unnecessary. everybody's tired. people repeatedly bitch about how they're too tired to tag. the odds are pretty good that very few people are going to go, 'oh, that's that goku who put their best foot forward, made a great top level and tagged around!' if they remember your goku it's likely because you specifically tagged them or because you're their castmate and you're their problem now.

ooc intro/cr meme is the same way. (and how hard is a ooc intro anyway? you're rapunzel and you're playing goku, here's contact info, it's very nice to meet you.)

joining chat is only necessary if your game is super small and there's, like, 10 people total and everybody else is in the chat. i modded a game with a bunch of other secret mods and i know for a fact that the only mod who ended up keeping an eye on chat was me. and cc:ing everything in the game chat is like. what are you doing, are you asking people in your game to pls advise or something?

the rest can range from nbd to suck depending on how much they expect you to fill out and how spaghetti the code is (hence why it's column a and column b), but imo if you go to an intricate game that requires a powers table, a possessions table, a profile code, etc al and then hate filling out that paperwork, that's kind of you punching yourself in the face and then complaining about your face and hand hurting.

[(Anonymous)]

the organization and housekeeping stuff is actually fun for a lot of people especially if you just acquired a new blorbo and your new blorbo is your new current obsession and then you tend to have a lot of fun making everything look pretty and writing out your stuff.

as a dwrp newbie i didn't find any of this daunting at all because i was excited to basically create a whole big thing for my character especially since it was an OC. OCs kind of call for a lot more work because it's handy to give people a reference to things like their worldbuilding/information because the only place to access that information for reference is from the player. i've actually done a lot less of this stuff over time because i realised how much is optional, especially info pages if you have a popular character.

additionally, a lot of those journal housekeeping things like the taken list stuff can be done after you submit your app since you probably already sat down and blocked out a little time to write that anyway. the entries you make on your own journal you can just make private until you get accepted and the ones you have to make on the comms themselves you can save in a text file and copy and paste when you get accepted and you're done! a lot of games have their inbox/taken/permission codes available for using at all times so there's nothing stopping you from knocking it all out at one time and just being ready to do in 2 minutes after you get acceptances.

if you learn how to recycle and modularize things including journal layouts if you're into that you can save yourself a lot of time. or just... don't do those things?

[(Anonymous)]

the organization paperwork is simply necessary given the type of hobby this is and the format we're using. no one is telepathic. you do have to put that info forward, especially if the game has extra elements and there's no way around it. it's like complaining about needing to put on proper shoes and pick a ball for bowling? it's just part of the hobby.

but.. applications are definitely burning a lot of people out and are a big contributing factor for why there are fewer games. seriously half my friends in the hobby are psl only anymore because they're older now and straight out will not spend a week's worth of free time working on an app just to gamble on if they'll end up liking a game or not. i don't blame them. i can write apps really fast but some people can't and aren't interested in doing it anymore. it's a shame.

[(Anonymous)]

the big contributing factor to their being fewer games is people not wanting to mod for this whiny, entitled community anymore. I don't think apps really figure into it that much

[(Anonymous)]

dunno a lot of people i've talked to have said they've been more excited about the way applications are changing to be more fun and actually useful because no one in 2022 needs to rehash a wiki when they can just link it versus displaying you know what the fuck you're doing with your character because you can respond to specific questions or explain why your character deserves this magic or whatever the fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

except for the app, all this stuff takes five minutes each, ten tops. are you ok, op?

[(Anonymous)]

not op, but i can sympathize because while one tiny task is fine, having several is both intimidating and exhausting for reasons i can't figure out or fix. shit sucks when you're really not ok.

[(Anonymous)]

idk how it only takes you 10 minutes to do info posts. this game i'm in is [setting specific] which means my modern character needs [setting specific] clothes which means i'm trawling pinterest for hours trying to things my character would wear so i can link them in an info post so i don't have some dummy going hrrdrr whys your character wearing weird modern clothes or something dumb (because i have had this happen to me before)

say a game recommends your character get a (handwaved) job. cool. now i'm going to spend time reading all the game info, and maybe ask my friends (which takes time) for inspiration or advice so i have all my ducks in a row so i know what job makes the most sense for them

like i guess cool you can just skim a game and go "yeah that's the thing" and figure it out in seconds but i care about what i'm doing so i always take my time? i don't want to be the idiot on the faq post asking about a thing that's there. but it does take time to soak in game stuff. when a game has been going on years and there's so much info, or if mods are particularly bad about laying it out in a readable way it can feel like work.

[(Anonymous)]

anon, every hobby has a thing you gotta do in order to start it, it's part of the kind of investment you put into it. i think there's pros and cons for each step that's been discussed to death here many times, but time and again we've had newbies come in who are able to manage what the norm is within the community. it could very well just be that your relationship with the hobby has changed.

if anything else, as a hobby, dwrp has a really low-cost entry because all you need is time and a decent writing skill to buy in. we're really not asking a lot - and none of these things have to be done in one go.

[(Anonymous)]

there's an argument to be made that rpers (or any hobbiests) are going to follow the path of least resistance

if games are more work and memes are less work, more people are going to enjoy memes

if you want people to enjoy games more, then they need to be less work

we're already seeing this trend with fewer and fewer games overall, and fewer people willing to mod them because modding is also more work than its worth

[(Anonymous)]

If this takes you a month you should probably talk to a doctor about your lack of energy. This takes two hours, top.

[(Anonymous)]

everyone is the same
with this anon being the default that all humanity stems from

[(Anonymous)]

It seems really weird to complain about playing on the TDM when you're doing what you're entering the game to do... roleplay. If roleplaying is a burden why are you even trying to app to a game?

[(Anonymous)]

after spending enough time on here you'll be surprised how many excuses dwrpers are willing to give to not rp

I've had arguments on here with anons who seem to think they shouldn't have to do any reading or writing.. in this reading and writing hobby. I think they're just here to get the momentary high of seeing an email in their inbox

[(Anonymous)]

playing on a tdm is fun

playing on a tdm + applying for a job interview and clocking in to work just so you could get that sweet sweet continuity cr money requires more time and energy

i don't know how to explain this to you. people can do this and understand why these systems are in place and still complain about it

[(Anonymous)]

you dont have to pretty up your character's journal. i do it because i love the character i play a lot and i want to make it pretty not because it's a requirement to do it.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

me too

[(Anonymous)]

i feel you overstretched this since 5 and 6 is part of 3 for game-specific stuff, but for me i only ever needed to do 2 and 3(5/6) to enjoy being in a game.

i know we all like to say we are old and tired but the only real work you need there are just two to get into a game.

[(Anonymous)]

if this is all too much work for you, you might not want to bother being in a game.

[(Anonymous)]

all of these things are fun and exciting, lmao? sounds like you just don't like rp

[(Anonymous)]

idk anon, i've got barebones journals (just an app and maybe a brief info post) and i'm minimally active on plurk/discord, but i've never had any trouble getting game tags. personally i think the elaborate "can i hug your character" permissions posts and visualosities and questionnaires and fancy coding are kind of silly but some people are into that stuff. it's not expected, though. the vast majority of game rpers don't care about your journal layout or an up-to-date list of what items your character has in their pretendy dorm room.

i agree that it's tedious to do inventory management and point tracking in journals, but... i just don't join games that require that kind of stuff. most games don't.