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tbh dq3 female warrior is still fucking popular, for reasons i can't really fathom because i don't find her appealing myself. like, people are still drawing her nearly 30 years later or whatever and churning out doujins. dragon quest is pretty much the number one thing most people in japan think of for JRPGs and there was a actual law that prevented them from releasing on a school day because of how many kids would skip school to play.

i think one reason is that liz isn't normally tradition used for fanservice. most of the shit she gets up to is for gags, and her outfits normally aren't the ones that scream 'fanservice' like kuro or shuten douji does. i like her brave version as much as much as you do but lbr, if they really wanted to pander to the loli teenage crowd, they have no qualms being explicit. the outfit being oversized feels more like a gag on how she's clearly not as mature as the female warrior is (mentally and physically) as she calls herself a hero, just like how she insists that she's a great idol when the running joke is that people would rather die than listen to her sing.

it's unnecessary and kind of off-putting but not what i would consider loli pandering.

nah it's definitely pandering to that crowd. if all they were aiming for was referencing a popular design, they could've actually made the outfit her size. i don't think it's something you can wave off as just a gag when her regular artwork is a slight angle change away from showing her nipples in front of most of her right breast being exposed as is and her FA art specifically has her kneeling at such an angle that her legs obscure part of her bottom armor and and chest armor's hanging off far enough that it's barely on at all.

just because it's not as bad as kuro or the two ilya's FA art doesn't mean it's not pandering to the same crowd.

yeah i agree with you on that they could had made it actually fit her, but i could also see someone going 'hey wouldn't it be funny if it was too big for her... like a little kid playing dress up... haha...'

as for her FA... i don't really like it but i honestly didn't notice at first glance that her chest armor is almost falling off. she's kneeling but it looks more like it's because she just got done with a big fight and won. i agree that it's pandering but i don't think it's specifically to the loli crowd.

idk maybe i'm just more desensitized to this sort of garbage at this point.

a) there is no law like that. that's a long standing urban myth. people *did* famously skip work/school to get DQ games on release days, though. but there's no official law on the books in japan telling them they can't release on a weekday. that's a decision enix made on their own.

b) liz's first stage outfit, the outfit she wears through the entirety of extra ccc, just has two thin straps over her breasts. fanservice has always been part of liz's character. to wada arco's credit, she has more outfits that AREN'T fanservicey than those that are, but the most popular ones (first ascension and brave liz) are the ones that show the most skin.

i'll agree there's shit that hits the loli-appeal button harder than liz's outfits do, but they're still hitting that button, anon.

that's probably what i heard then. it's honestly been a while so i guess i misremembered, but basically DQ is hugely popular in Japan despite games like Final Fantasy being the face of JRPGs overseas.

honestly i've never noticed because i would say the more fanservice-y characters have always been meltlillith and passionlip. liz always feels like a joke and that we're not supposed to take her seriously, but i've never played CCC and my only experience with her has been in extella and fgo.

anon, there being more obvious examples of fanservice in the game doesn't make brave liz less of a fanservice design. her being a joke doesn't make it less of a fanservice design. it's designed to get folks horny. you're pretty damn naive if you think there was zero sexual intent in putting her in that outfit.

not everyone is as horny as you, apparently.

"you noticed the design's meant to look sexy therefore YOU are the gross one!" anon. come on.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/6/66/EliBraveStage4.png/revision/latest?cb=20180227180225

This is even worse than usual

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