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dda

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/32647/1/how-manga-is-guiding-japan-s-youth-on-lgbt-issues
http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2015/05/28/how_does_japan_treat_gay_people.html
http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1277&context=artspapers
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/03/25/national/media-national/medias-gender-roles-push-lgbt-groups-into-corners/
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/06/national/social-issues/bullying-of-lgbt-students-at-epidemic-levels-in-japan-human-rights-watch/
http://postbubbleculture.blogs.wm.edu/2015/03/22/is-she-a-pervert-representation-of-lgbtq-people-in-japanese-media/

some of these are western researches looking from the outside, looking at first hand resources. most are based on actual queer voices from the inside. maybe stop assuming japanese queer people don't care about representation and actually study how it's different. listen to our stories, our voices. because right now, you and a lot of other anons are speaking for us, erroneously, and that's not okay if you're taking up this facade of giving a shit about sociopolitics in japan.

but like another anon said, i'm pretty sure you're just being contrary because you think anyone who cares about representation is an sjw.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

i'm pretty sure you're just being contrary because you think anyone who cares about representation is an sjw.

it says a lot that you're a snooty asshole even in this supposedly "educational" comment. newflash: if you throw shit you get hit and being lgbt+ is not an excuse for your arrogant behavior.

da

[(Anonymous)]

i don't even have a horse in this race bc I haven't played Persona 5, but what's snooty about presenting their point of view with linked academic information and their personal experience, something that many anons here lack? you across more like a little baby who can't deal when your views are criticized than anon above comes across as arrogant.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

it says even more that instead of deciding to offer a counterargument, you whined about something as mild-mannered as that line.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

>throw shit you get hit

lmao

anon

come on.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

looks like we've got a real badass over here

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

how is citing sources arrogant.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

anon.

anon obvious shit stirring troll is really obvious

come on, get some standards

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

you'd be depressed at how many people think and act like this sincerely.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

"Our voices"? Are you saying you are Japanese, living in Japan and LGBT now?

ddda

[(Anonymous)]

i can't speak for them but i'm gay, japanese-american, have gay relatives living in japan, and the stuff they linked carries the truth.

but i'm gonna bet you're just looking for a "gotcha" so you can disregard everything that's been said, regardless of the evidence backing it up.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

LMAO they are so obviously a western transplant living in Japan, pretending their transplanted western political sensibility and identity politics are local ones. And then they have the shameless arrogance to try and claim that the concerns/politics of older Japanese gays are "outmoded."

Don't you know that being a westerner living in Japan gives you total authority to write off older Japanese? Your perspective is obviously way more important and relevant than theirs!

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

so are you a japanese-born gay person living your whole life in japan, or are you just really mad over the prospect that some people would like a gay option in a video game?

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

"are you just really mad over the prospect that some people would like a gay option in a video game?"

Lmao this.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

Christ, you're dumb.

No-one has been saying they're mad about the prospect of the option. They're mad because Japan and the West's approach to LGBT lives and acceptance isn't the fucking same and people are trotting around in this thread with their hands clasped together and staring up at the heavens like "Oh, everything would be better for the gays in Japan if they just had more gays in media! That's what they really need! Everywhere really just wants to follow the American LGBT movements and political agenda to the letter and cultural history is only important when I say so! Anyone who says otherwise is just mad at sjw!"

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

for someone who claims to be japanese, they sound super western. down to the self-righteous tantrums.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

bc japanese people cant be stupid assholes who argue with other stupid assholes online

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

you'd have a point if people hadn't provided multiple links to you by now proving that the japanese lgbt community is pretty concerned over representation in mainstream media.

and you've yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

There has been plenty of evidence to the contrary, you fuckwit. But not everything has a handy-dandy simple English language link available for Anglos to flick their bean to while patting themselves on the back about how right they are.

But you want more examples that gay in Japan is not and does not necessarily aspire to gay in the West: http://massive-goods.com/shop/massive-book/

Drop the $35+shipping, read the varied commentaries from these artist of varying ages and their different opinions on LGBT politics in Japan. You'll note that they are not all marching to the beat of the WE'RE HERE WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT drum. Hell, even the few sentiments from the artists in there who do wish for something more like the Western model acknowledge that the situation is different in Japan.

I cannot fucking believe that "it's different in Japan than in the West" needs to be said so many times, I'd rather be licking sandpaper right now.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

How did this thread go from

"Will there be any chance of the developers of a video game add a gay option in a sequel? It sold more in the west so there might be more incentive for the devs to add it in since a lot of western fans have been requesting it.

to

"BUT THE LGBT COMMUNITY IN JAPAN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT REPRESENTATION IN MEDIA."

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

I think it would be more accurate to say that it went from

"Will there be any chance of the developers of a video game add a gay option in a sequel? It sold more in the west so there might be more incentive for the devs to add it in since a lot of western fans have been requesting it."

to

"Western fans should be aware that their wants are partial and have a cultural bias that risks steamrolling local priorities within Japan"

to

"How dare you say that local priorities in Japan are different! What's good in the west is the right way for everyone and it's so right that you can't even say that there's anything different in Japan (because westerners living in Japan say so)!"

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

because someone got mad when told that pressure for representation in japan from the fujoshi part of the fanbase and lgbt activists is probably not high enough for atlus to add gay romance to their niche games, because japanese game companies like atlus tend to listen much more closely to japanese input than western input

no one was even saying wanting more representation is bad or undesirable, just that there are cultural differences in priorities that are part of the reason why it hasn't happened and is probably unlikely to happen even if western fans ask for it

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

where exactly are you getting any of this from above anon's comment

did you read any of their sources or

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/80879.html?thread=384537071#t384537071

this is a new hisanakagami, calling it.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

quit exaggerating and go touch grass