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She said he should have gathered souls to break the barrier peacefully, which is the most puzzling part. Also, in most neutral endings, she declares humans should be treated as friends and not enemies. You're right about her grief, though, and I think her grudge isn't entirely fair. Both she and Asgore are... pretty messed up, honestly, so I can probably swing it. In fact, here's some very rough ideas.

- Asgore gets the first soul, but can't commit to his plan despite declaring war on humanity. Leaves to the ruins in shame. Toriel is left in charge of the Underground. Potentially takes the first soul to cross the barrier and attempt to collect souls in a peaceful manner, but (assuming this happens shortly after Asriel's death) the first humans she encounters assume the worst. Not wanting to spark an actual war, Toriel returns to the Underground, unsure of how to proceed.

- Time passes. Every now and then, more humans trickle into the Underground. Toriel tries to dissuade the humans that reach the capital from leaving, knowing that it requires a human and monster soul to leave and not wanting to abandon her kingdom. Perhaps some humans stay and die of natural causes, but I imagine at least some would be desperate to return to their families, and given the danger of a human with a strong intent to kill/harm, she'd be unable to safely pull punches and end up overpowering those who fight.

At least in that case, it'd be more out of self-defense, but I imagine the process would still be extremely painful emotionally, especially given Toriel's love of children. The small ray of hope would be the Determination experiments, but we all know how those turn out. And let's be real; Undyne being in charge of them would probably not yield any better results, even if she'd likely be more stubborn and persistent about fixing the damage. ~Never giving up~ and all that shounen stuff.

Sans still remains a challenge because he's such a foil to Papyrus' more bombastic attitude. Papyrus is motivated, Sans is lazy, and by shifting Sans to Papyrus' role... It's tricky. I know his laziness is presented as him having given up in the Genocide route/True Ending. This begs the question of if he was always lazy or if it stemmed from whatever happened during his science days in canon and the knowledge of the resets.

Due to the stark differences in attitudes, though, I'm still leaning more towards a partial switch, if I can find a good way to justify him taking an interest in the royal guard/actually being in it. Someone suggested that Papyrus may have gotten him motivated to do so, so that's... the tentative idea, and he's already a sentry in canon. Eh, this is all still up in the air, and I gotta canon review.

A peaceful way of getting human souls would be to go out and wait for some to die on their own, then get the soul once they are dead.

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