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yeah, and being beat up on by a group of queers for being straight can happen

"this could happen to anyone" is not at all a sound argument. it happens to some people more

anon. i really don't want to go digging through that cesspool of a site to find all the instances of "this happened to me BECAUSE I'M FAT!!!!!" when they're describing a common problem. but here, a gem from page 2:

"Thin privileges is being able to work at a retail store without having someone openly mocking you."

multiply that by however many pages are on the stupid blog and you'll understand why i hate it so much

I've been openly mocked for my facial piercings while working retail. Does that mean people have No-holes-in-face privilege?

No, it just means cruel people will be cruel over any difference between yourself and them. Being fat has nothing to do with it.

did you just compare being fat to being gay

"IT'S NOT MY FAULT I HAVE A THYROID CONDITION!!!"

aka the very worst whale song ever

I mean, I am willing to believe there is a percentage of overweight people who truly are medically predisposed to that state, because body chemistry is fucking weird, but that percentage has to be much smaller than people like this want us to believe, if only because if it was that common, there would be a hell of a lot more research into treating it.

in all seriousness, it's really hard to peg down what is and isn't viable. in this day and age with all the preservatives and chemicals and medications people take, it's incredibly hard to figure out what those things all mixed together can do to a body. that's not even taking into consideration what fifteen different body types might be like with the same combinations. i mean, we're still waffling back and forth and changing our minds on the basic things like what sort of fats are good for you. eggs are bad. no, now they're good. no, now only egg whites are good. no, they're a great source of this and that. our science is constantly evolving and changing and that also happens to carry over into what it discovers and how that affects a body.

add in things like birth control, a mix of other medications, genetic conditions and it becomes next to impossible to figure out what all of those actually can do to a person. we have a lot of conditions in this day and age that weren't present a hundred years ago, or weren't as prevalent. we're doing things to our bodies and we don't really know the long-term effects. there just isn't money in researching for 'fatties', because doctors get more money from people with conditions that stress their bodies than not.

idk, anon, I'd definitely qualify being overweight as a stress on the body. Before I started losing weight, my knees and spine were incredibly bad shape.

... that's what i just said, anon. being overweight stresses the body and doctors make money off of things that make you go to see them.

please read, anon.

shit, my bad

WELL then I agree, yeah, but I still maintain that the percentage of people who are overweight whose status can be traced to medical disorders of some kind, either genetic or otherwise, is still pretty small compared to the number of people who are just plain fat and unwilling to change their sedentary lifestyles.

like, that was me. that was my dad and mom. we were just fat. we had no medical predisposition to it, we just didn't move around enough (and in my dad's case, ate like a garbage dump). once we all made a promise to ourselves to get right, we started getting, and more importantly FEELING, healthier

idk, maybe I'm just using anecdotal experiences to color my bias, but I'm just less likely to believe someone's self-diagnosis of medical issues.

"--whose status can be traced to medical disorders.." and therein lies the problem that i'm trying to point out. we still don't really know why people are as obese as they are. i'm willing to bet a healthy percent is as simple as birth control. others might have medications that prohibit proper digestion.

not arguing that there are plenty of people that just don't want to get off their asses, because that likely makes up a pretty hefty percent as well, but i also know from experience that trying to lose weight and having zero payout after a year is just demeaning and you lose the ability to give a fuck.

for those that can manage to pull it off, i wish them well. for those that are undiagnosed and fat without knowing why, it can be really, really difficult. especially when medical professions are giving you that look like this is all your fault for eating unhealthy and shoveling food into your face when you're counting calories and eating going to bed hungry to try to lose weight but it's just not working. (note: because i'm going to reiterate this since someone will bring it up, this does not apply to everyone overweight. this doesn't even apply to half. but it does apply to a goodly number and it can just devastate you when everyone's telling you it's your fault and you're doing something wrong and you're not.)

well, on the not being able to lose weight after a year thing, if it makes you feel any better, I haven't actually lost much. in fact, I started gaining at some point, an it took awhile for me to realize that was because of my body's changing mass.

like, I'm still big. still "fat". but I can go a long walk, or up some stairs, without getting winded, and I can do the lifting at work without needing a break. idk, it's little things like that which make me so much happier than a read-out on a scale.

there's a lot more excuses than there are medical issues. are there some people with issues? sure, but there are a ton more who do "muh thyroid, muh metabolism, muh galbladder, muh pcos" strawgrabbing. everyone wants something to be wrong with them so they have a ~reason, but the fact is, most people don't have that reason. it's just an unwillingness to wake the fuck up and make a change.

to be fair, part of the reason people want excuses and don't love themselves enough to make a change is that being fat is treated as fucking awful, even if you're only a bit overweight. the reaction isn't 'oh, you're about 10-20 pounds overweight, you should cut back on sweets and snacking,' the reaction is 'you have to change your entire lifestyle and also you're fucking pathetic for letting it get this far.'

so people backslide, because they're being told they're already 'ruined,' and that losing weight will be the most insanely herculean task ever, so things get worse, until eventually losing weight - and getting out of that mindset - really is incredibly difficult.

it's been proving that encouraging healthy choices is much, much more helpful than any kind of shaming

and in fact, people who get into fat acceptance communities and start loving themselves and being okay with being fat tend to start doing better, because they don't feel that pressure and "well i'm worthless anyway." for example, they avoided swimming because they didn't want to be seen in a bathing suit, or avoided salads because they'd been laughed at ("who are you trying to fool?") before, and they start doing what they want and it's better for them

tl;dr surprise, hating people doesn't help them

Do you have a source on this? I'm curious because while I've know that being more positive and getting issues like anxiety and depression under control helps I don't know or know of a single person that's into gotten into fat acceptance/HAES and actually lost weight. They've all either maintained their weight or gotten even fatter.

i should correct myself actually: it led to them being healthier, which didn't necessarily include weight loss, but had to do with stuff like feeling of health, heart rate, various blood numbers, etc. let me look for a source, hang on

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/obesity-awareness-may-be-causing-overeating-finds-international-study

this is actually talking about the opposite of what my point was, ie that people who are weight-conscious tend to gain more, but the corollary, where not caring leads you to be healthier and stop engaging in stress behaviors (they call out stress eating as the most obvious culprit), still holds true

if hate and shame actually helped people lose (and keep off!) weight then we would have no fat people, especially fat women

but then we wouldn't have civil rights

some of us don't care about helping them

in fact, most of us don't care about helping them

as someone who actually does have a thyroid condition, people using that as an excuse for why they're fat grinds my gears like nothing else. yes, it can make it harder for you to lose weight. no, it won't make you obese. a good portion of my family also has thyroid issues and not one of them is obese. overweight maybe, but not obese. and if you treat your thyroid problem (which you should because it can seriously fuck up your body in a lot of ways if you don't), then a lot of the weight you've gained will come back off.

yes and no. I have one too, and yeah, people just turning to it as an excuse is frustrating as fuck, but by the same token, losing weight is harder when you have a disorder, even with treatment. just needs to be said.

but I'm with the above anons discussing medical conditions in the sense that, thyroid disorders are not "sexy" like diabetes, so nobody wants to fucking research thyroid disorders and come up with better treatments. I think a lot of medical conditions have the same problem - doctors are trained to fat-shame and so they'd rather tell fatty to go lose some weight than try to figure out what combo of medications, genetic flaws, potential diseases, and lifestyle are actually causing that person to gain or fail to lose.

oh yeah, it's definitely harder than it is for someone who is perfectly healthy, but it's far from impossible. i'm back down to a normal weight now and i've been maintaining it for the past three years or so. i have to be more careful about my eating and exercising habits than someone without a thyroid disorder, but the synthroid seems to be doing its job so far.

it doesn't make you obese. it definitely contributes to obesity, particularly if it's not caught and treated promptly.

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