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Malevolence is a bunch of bullshit. The cast is really fun though.

I think calling it 'malevolence' was a really bad choice since that isn't really what it's about. It's more about purity in the shinto sense.

I think my problem is more that they set up that malevolence is divorced at least in part from conventional morality and then the story proceeds to do nothing with it.

The Japanese term for it was impurity, and I feel as though that fits it better.

Agreed. Malevolence implies evil, but not all those who became hellions were evil people. Some of them had good intentions and just went too far in using that to justify acts that are truly wrong like murder.

Yeah, exactly. I was pretty disappointed to hear it localized as malevolence, since that does imply evil and that's not what the impurity is about. I felt like it was too "dumbed down" of a way of localizing it since then it's just trying to shout "here are the evil things!" when it doesn't work that way.

malevolence
[muh-lev-uh-luh ns]

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noun
1.
the quality, state, or feeling of being malevolent; ill will; malice; hatred.

malevolent
[muh-lev-uh-luh nt]

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adjective
1.
wishing evil or harm to another or others; showing ill will; ill-disposed; malicious:
His failures made him malevolent toward those who were successful.
2.
evil; harmful; injurious:
a malevolent inclination to destroy the happiness of others.
3.
Astrology. evil or malign in influence.

It's actually a really good fit.

For most situations, but then you get some like the cardinal who actually did want to help people and then took it too far. She didn't really have ill will or hatred for people. Or like Asura who wanted to cleanse the world of malevolence and then after getting that sword started killing. For most cases it does work because it does start with bad feelings like anger and hate.

I don't think I gotten to that point yet, but Asura might still fit since wanting to cause harm is part of the word.

It's not a perfect word, but I think it's better than impurity, which doesn't really fit the cardinal, from your description?

It fits her better than malevolence, as it does everyone else, imo. Impurity suggests that the person's mind became tainted in some negative way — whether through obsession or hatred or whatever else happened to them. Malevolence suggests immediate evil, when that wasn't the case with some people.

impurity also has the contentions of being fixable by itself.

Malevolence does not.

To you maybe, but the vast majority of impurities do not fix themselves. For example, if a boat crashes and dumps a bunch of oil into the ocean, that's not fixing itself.

Also, Zestiria never really mentioned if malevolence can fix itself without the Shepard to purify or someone reasonably powerful killing the hellion. It fact it's more implied that the nature of malevolence is that it doesn't want to change and some cases get so bad that they cannot be purified.

Also, malevolence implies the person always had ill or evil intentions. The further you get into the game, the more you find out this isn't the case. A big theme that is constantly shown is the fact that malevolence isn't always caused by ill will and that there are people and seraphim that aren't hellions who are awful people.

It's especially an ill fitting term once you find out how the Lord of Calamity came into being. It's also ill fitting for seraphim who become hellions because their vessel became a hellion. Also look at the cases of animals becoming hellions. Animals aren't truly capable of good or evil, they act based on instinct or training. Yet in one sidequest we have a case of a dog becoming a hellion along with its owner. There's also characters capable of great evil, yet they aren't hellions. That's the thing, hellion doesn't mean evil, and it doesn't always mean the person was the cause. Malevolence is really more of an outside force that corrupts, much like oil spilling into an ocean.

re: malevolence "fixing itself"

IIRC, there's Agatha in Marlind (the lady who was selling off books after her daughter died from the plague) who was beginning to generate malevolence when she was found out, but after being turned in/arrested, the malevolence cleared up by itself, which surprised Sorey & co.

They aren't very clear about it in the main plot though, and I don't think they really ever bring it up again, so /shrugs. I could also be remembering the sidequest wrong; it's been a while.

actually the oil thing is pollution...

and that would be a better english termed thing to have used than impurity (which is often more spirtual then tempermental/intention) or maleovence

Might want to get further into the game then. The issue I have with malevolence as a term is the implications of being evil, yet the game treats malevolence more like something capable of infecting people.

Truly, I think the only way it truly works is to think of it as a world specific term for them and only consider how the game shows it and disregard any meanings we use.

Agreed but more so on the fact that the word is kind of a mouthful to say and after hearing the cast say it (poorly) 2309582905 times it no longer sounds like a real word to me.

I'm just treating it like a world specific term rather than assuming from any actual real world meanings. That's helped me a lot with handling it.

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