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[(Anonymous)]

> it was too drawn out
> the game opened on the 9th, it's barely been a week

and you have aliens communicating with humans ok enough w/o the translator, but a french speaker can't communicate with anyone? is this real?

da

[(Anonymous)]

it was one ic anjian day, from the drop point to rendezvous. there might have been a few bumps from trying to converse for the french person if no one else spoke french, but i'm pretty sure there are a few characters that can actually speak french along with english. bond, for one. lara croft, for another. there's just no translation between french and anyone else's language, including non-earth ones.

people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. ac is likely already met by the drop point logs if anyone bothered to tag around, so waiting an extra ooc month, if that's what it even took, for the next upgrade would have been feasible.

it has literally been about 2-3 ic days. if people can't deal with that, i don't holdout hope for those people handling other mechanics of this game, since it seems to be pretty on the ball in terms of tech/inventory/plots. this is not a game to join to coast by in.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

uh and this is why it got changed imo

because "you have to wait a month before you can really play the game you just joined" is a shitty thing to do to anyone

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

i really don't think it would have been a month. i think people got worked up over it too quickly without waiting to see what happened. six days is not exactly a huge chunk of time in a game that has set ups where each mission is going to last around six months.

it would be nice if people could exercise a little patience along with looking at the overall picture instead of whining that they can't tag burt RIGHT NOW because they can't.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

it's a complicated game with a complicated setting, not a slice of life

+1

[(Anonymous)]

waiting for info posts isn't hard

[(Anonymous)]

aliens largely have castmates or magically speak english from what i see

anyone who had no or very few other characters they could talk to was in the shit. it's not that you had to charade with most people, it's that you had to do it with everyone

and we've done 12k comments in six days, it's a long time

[(Anonymous)]

not really. one ic day from the drop point to the base where the cuffs would have synched up everyone who was alien/english would have done it. as i said in the other comment re: the french speaking character, there are other characters from earth that speak french. if they'd gone looking, they could have found that.

it's not that it's a long time, because it's not. it's that there's so much to do or that people want to tag into and no one's willing to wait or work out complicated cr. six days is 2 ic days, anon. no one should be bffs by then. people who wouldn't have caught up should take the time to run with it. build up interesting cr. use the story being given to you. there will be cr to tag in a week or two or three. you don't have to have everything now.

[(Anonymous)]

but characters shouldn't have to sit there literally twiddling thumbs based on an arbitrary game mechanic that didn't pan out as planned. i'm sorry but given how dwrp operates, and how fast the game was moving, a week WAS a huge amount of time and not every character would even bother putting up with it. my character would just walk away after a certain of time and forget it. so what, i have to dead-end the cr or not pursue any at all because he doesn't speak one of the more convenient languages? how is that fair? i got my fill of it at drop point, why was there a need for part 2 of it right away?

later on down the pike i am completely down with this. we'll have cr established, we can do more, it's a fun idea, but expecting this to continue on and on for over a week straight out the gate? not reasonable, not fun, and that's looking like it was the majority opinion, "tittybaby caving" or not.

da

[(Anonymous)]

anon, have you ever thought that maybe this just isn't the game for you?

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not saying that the mods changing it was caving, but i also think the reaction was a bit extreme. if your character would have walked away from it, then it seems they're not the most sociable or positive anyway, so it's likely ic for them to get fed up and fuck off. what's to say they won't get fed up and fuck off just because people can understand them now.

and as i mentioned before, if you're playing a character that speaks an earth language other than english, why not put something up in the ooc comm looking for characters that speak that language if you wanted instant cr? a quick 'hi guys, my character ernie here only speaks french/italian/german, and i was wondering if anyone had characters that also spoke this that i could maybe play with until the language packs updated' could have gone a long way. it also would have given people a place to post what language their characters could speak so that others could play with them if they were limited because of language barriers.

someone could have even put up a 'looking for translators' post. there is a lot you can do with this kind of game mechanic, but it really looks like people can't be bothered to work for their cr here, which is not boding well for them because this is not a sol game. characters are going to have to step out of their comfort zone and if you can't deal with a week or two of language barrier, what about when there's the actual plot related language barrier? going to complain about that, too? use the game setting to your advantage. be creative. that's the draw of this game.

[(Anonymous)]

how about you take your entitled, impatient head out of your ass.

i'm sorry but given how dwrp operates, and how fast the game was moving, a week WAS a huge amount of time

i didn't see it anywhere on the game info that this was a fucking contest. there's 160+ characters, that's at least 100 players and not all of them will be tagging at OMG SUPER FAST I CAN'T KEEP UP speed. maybe you could idk pace yourself? just a thought? some people tag fast. some people tag slow. and what's with this "how dwrp operates" bullshit? who gave you a PhD in dwrp?

my character would just walk away after a certain of time and forget it. so what, i have to dead-end the cr or not pursue any at all because he doesn't speak one of the more convenient languages? how is that fair?

what's not fair is bland unimaginative players like you complaining about how you have nothing to do with your character when there's a hundred and one options right in front of your face. so your character can only speak french, so what? make something up. punch characters. barf on an alien. do barrel rolls in front of an npc. play the name game with a random stranger who won't understand wtf your character's even trying to accomplish. how lazy are you that you're playing an antisocial non-english speaking character and you're depending on chat for cr?

i got my fill of it at drop point, why was there a need for part 2 of it right away?

it's not even part 2, it's part second-half-of-a-game-plot-cut-short, and i'm not even fronting here, i'm irritated. i was looking forward to getting my character to learn english the hard way, and now it's off my rp table because of whining tits like you. this is unfair. literally every other game out there has magical translating smartphones/whatever and players like you had to screw it up for the one game i could find where there isn't any.



TL;DR if you wanted a game with magical translators where your character can just sit back and gossip his way through cr, maybe you should have apped at those games.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree with this, although maybe not as aggressively, but if you'd like your character to still have to learn english, there's a time lapse that the mods put in that made it so whoever wants their character to lag on getting the translation pack can do that. it might not be a huge lapse, but it's something if you want your character to play with that.

i'm a little butt mad that something that isn't often seen in other game mechanics was taken out so quickly, but when you have people whining like that, i can understand the mods wanting to cut it off at the pass.

i would have let them drop, tbh. it looks like some people are already wanting not only their ~give it to me now~ fix, but they expect to be catered to and had their hand held and walked through every thing.

this is not the game for them.

[(Anonymous)]

given how dwrp operates

anon, i think you need to understand one major thing about this game: it's going AGAINST everything that's established about "how dwrp operates".

there's an IC reason for why characters can/can't understand each other. the NPCs are all engaging, active, and most of all, reachable. they aren't just there to move the plot along. they're there to spur it on and keep it going. there's a lot of reading to do that doesn't rely on typical dwrp jamjarhandwavy magic. in fact, practically majority of this game doesn't rely on that bullshit.

this isn't the game for you if you want to coast by. this is the game where you actually have to work to get the fun rp times you're looking for.

frankly i hope the other game mechanics make you drop. if you aren't even willing to get creative in a game that GIVES YOU EVERY REASON TO BE CREATIVE, you aren't someone i'd want to play with.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you people seriously touting this as the holy grail of uniqueness in DWRP? Sure, it's got some more challenging elements, and a lot of reading, but a lot of these elements exist in other games (teams, grouped missions, player involvement in worldbuilding) to varying degrees. Even the language barrier exists in other games, though not quite to this extent.

I love this game, too, but these weirdly elitist attitudes about it are getting kind of ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

I think part of the problem was that the information about the translation capabilities in general was a bit too scattered and came piecemeal. A lot of questions about what was translated and how was answered in the mod plurk before it was ever put in a post.

As a result, pretty much everyone ended up with a different idea of how the translation process worked. Partial translations, no translations, tech failure, complete translations, some people got the subtitle/voiceover part but some didn't, etc.

It's an opening plot that they admitted hadn't been tailored for a game the size and speed that CDC opened at. This was pretty much a trial run and I'm sure that it will go more smoothly next time we all have to play charades (and like others said, CR will be mostly established by then, too which should help a lot).

[(Anonymous)]

it didn't help that even when the mods asked for players not to ask questions on the modplurk people asked on the modplurk anyway

[(Anonymous)]

wait, they asked people not to ask questions on the modplurk?

i missed that in all the spam on the modplurk

[(Anonymous)]

I think they outright stated it pretty recently and it's gotten better since then. They've also started disabling comments on some modplurks. It seems to be working out all right since more important stuff isn't getting lost in the shuffle now and important questions go on DW instead of the modplurk.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

yes! i saw that questions are being forced to dw and i like it lots lots better

[(Anonymous)]

http://interment.dreamwidth.org/45045.html
http://interment.dreamwidth.org/24559.html
http://interment.dreamwidth.org/tag/modpost

if you look at the bottom of the first entry linked you'll find links to detailed mod updates, all spaced a week apart. the translator modpost especially came up a week before the drop logs were even posted.

this isn't a case of info being scattered or piecemeal. it's a case of annoyingly lazy players not taking the fucking time to read.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

i borked the html in my annoyance, jeez

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I understood the language thing for the most part? But I was following the mod plurk and the OOC announcements pretty closely. It's also possible that people read the detailed information but it got blurry after two weeks of playing.

I definitely saw a lot of general confusion about how the language system worked, and had trouble getting it across to people when explaining it myself. I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of people just had difficulty understanding or remembering the details despite actually reading everything.

[(Anonymous)]

that's not the mods' fault though, that's on players for asking other confused players for clarification instead of asking the mods

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, and when everyone is playing it slightly differently, it is incredibly difficult to keep track of it.

i know where the mod docs are, i check them all the time, i ask the mods when i'm not sure of stuff? but when other people say or play wrong things you tend to internalise it