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Not exactly, anon. What he says is that the point of how Gamzee was stopped wasn't about Gamzee's character development, it was about Karkat's.

That's what bothers me about this argument. The point was never whether Gamzee got what he deserved. The point is what that moment says about Karkat.

The entire troll arc has been trolls killing other trolls for terrible reasons and trolls killing other trolls for very good reasons. The first chronological story about the trolls we learn is a complicated cycle of revenge that started when Vriska pushed Tavros off a cliff. But even trolls that don't really seem violently inclined have always, when confronted with someone dangerous or with someone who has harmed someone else, chosen violence in return. Feferi chose to attack Eridan, Kanaya chose to attack and kill Eridan, Tavros chose to attempt to kill Vriska, Terezi did kill Vriska. Terezi and Kanaya both planned to kill Gamzee. None of those decisions are blameworthy considering, but it's the reason we only have half the trolls we started with, and only three trolls who never died at all.

Karkat is the only one who, when confronted with another troll who he would have been fully justified in killing chose something different. That's why he's worthy of leadership and worthy of being the descendant of the story's Jesus figure. That's the entire point of the development we've seen in him over the course of the story.

Hussie's point wasn't that he didn't care about what Gamzee deserved at all. The point is that while Vriska's arc was about Vriska, Gamzee's arc was about Karkat.

The thing is though... the second that set of panels is over, Karkat is back to his old self, and that bothers me. He's so peaceful at that moment, hugging his moirail, smiling -- and then the fucks and contentiousness and bitterness are all back in full force. The development you speak of has no further consequence. He isn't even the leader; Rose or whoever is. He's suddenly an ornery little troll again. That's where it falls apart for me as a reader.

I don't think the point was that he suddenly achieved moirail nirvana. The point is that beneath the ornery little troll, this is the kind of person he's always been.

So his personality didn't change into some godly, monkish figure who calls everyone "my child" and knows exactly how to proceed. Were you really expecting it to?

What does that have to do with Karkat <> Gamzee vs. Karkat <> Kanaya?

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