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da

[(Anonymous)]

it's not that hard to look up a minority in your country and see what things come up for them as a general group

see, where i live, there have really only been people of color for about 30 years. most non-White people are either refugees or their children born in this country. not that many who are even grandparents yet.

so if i wanted to play an african-american in today's world, i couldn't get much help from learning the lives of non-Whites here

da

[(Anonymous)]

..... /points to general direction of internet.


This is the internet. there are people you can reach out to in any part of the world.

I, for example, am an african american. You could ask me questions.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I don't need advice atm but thanks for offering.

I was just pointing out the obvious, that situations vary greatly. What you see around you doesn't always help and what's more, there are a lot of things a person might not even think to ask.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah and I get that. it's just insulting to me, as a minority, when I see people playing all sorts of characters that they could NEVER hope to see in real life. Billionaire play boy superheros. homestuck trolls. Magical girls. Vampire hunters. Vampires. Werewolves. All of that bullshit. They play those, you'll never fucking meet one of those in your entire life.

BUT NO I CANT PLAY A MINORITY I DONT SEE THEM EVERYDAY.

It's a slap in the face, at least to me. That we are considered some magical unicorn enough that we are impossible to represent properly.

And yeah you might not think of every question to ask, but that's just fucking life. deal with it. You may make mistakes, you may fuck up somethings, but if you really are a writer or someone who is interested in making characters, that's part of the learning process.

I'm sorry if I am coming off as harsh or mean, but I am just tired of being painted over as a person just because people are afraid to broach the subject. I am so fucking tired of my only representation being "The funny side kick", "The sassy mother-like woman", "the first one who is killed off in a horror movie", or even better "THE TYLER PERRY MOVIE".

So yeah, the biggest problem with writing minorities? No one has the fucking balls to do it.

+100000000

[(Anonymous)]

This this this this this.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

it's such bullshit. i get optic whiplash from how hard i side-eye this bullshit excuse

the ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you were coming off as harsh and I'm sure you have the right to be aggravated by the situation.

However I think there is a difference to playing a magical girl or a werewolf than playing a RL minority. Paranormal characters (especially OCs) and their surroundings can be of anything your imagination makes them to be.

Characters based on RL cannot (though you are free to disagree).

Re: the ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

So what can a white woman be that a black woman can't? Besides white.

Go on, I'm curious.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

So wait, what about a paranormal character that also happens to be a person of color? Can there not be African Magical Girls? Latino Vampires? Asian Werewolves? Can they then not be anything your imagination makes them to be, simply because "oh no they're not white"?

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I understand your frustration but be honest the answer is obvious. There are no magical girls or vampires in real life that could get offended. It's that simple.

And trust me, if Tumblr is anything to go by, somebody will find some way to be offended no matter what. Thus why nobody wants to breach that territory.

[(Anonymous)]

No, sorry. THIS is also a bullshit excuse. You mess up representation of a PoC and get called out for it? You OWN UP, apologize for messing up, and do better. Not trying because you're scared of being called racist doesn't fix the lack of representation at all.

PoCs aren't unicorns, we're human beings, and while there's something to the Asian, or the black, or the Hispanic, or any other non-white perspective that no one else from any other race will completely understand, you can at least make a fucking effort.

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

Well said.

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

When someone plays a genius scientist, a cop, or an athlete and they mess up, they get called out and it's expected of them to apologize for the mistake and try to fix it. No one says YOU CAN NEVER PLAY ANY OF THESE EVER.

People play plenty of Japanese characters (not anime characters, but characters who are Japanese) and yet I bet majority of the muns don't even know Japanese or are that read up on Japanese culture. They don't go around saying they can't play them because OH THEY AREN'T JAPANESE SO THEY'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM. Why are minorities so different?

Re: +10000

[(Anonymous)]

playing japanese characters without knowing shit about the culture isn't exactly a good thing, lbr

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Although, to be quite honest, I think it's more so that people are afraid of being confronted with the possibility of their own internalized biases more than being publicly castigate for it.

But a couple of the above anons should note that they're revealing said biases quite nicely already, and if anyone's fooled, it sure as hell isn't me.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying that it's right or that it fixes things, but that is the answer and that's all there is to it. It's pretty obvious why. Is it a problem? Yes. Does that change the facts? No.

I want more people to stand up and represent my race too but at the same time I'm not sitting here scratching my head over why nobody does it. I know why.

+a million

[(Anonymous)]

Such a bs excuse. I think people are more racist when they act like we are going to scream racist at every little thing they do. No way. I may try to politely correct incorrect assumptions but there really isn't any "universal experience" for any minority anywhere. And to assume you'll fuck up a character because you don't know about something that essentially doesn't exist is screwed up.

Re: +a million

[(Anonymous)]

They weren't giving an excuse they were saying why people avoid playing minorities. And they're right.

Re: +a million

[(Anonymous)]

I think more people are scared of white armchair slackavists attacking them than they are of the actual minority getting offended. I know I would be.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but those call outs can get vicious. I'm a poc, yeah, but I'm also sheltered as fuck so I'm not sure how much my opinion matters? But I do have anxiety issues and I can't imagine having to deal with a whole bunch of people breathing down your neck and criticizing you constantly. This is the crowd that thinks white people cosplaying pocs is white washing and white people listening to rap is cultural appropriation and fetishizing.

And then there's the fact that 1) the world is not America, so things that are huge sins for the African American community may not be that well known outside of America. I've literally never heard of the watermelon thing until I came to America. As a poc, I can claim ignorance, but as a white person? I'd be tarred with the Racist label and the Internet never forgets.

You might not *JUDGE* a white person who plays poc characters, but enough people will that if you're sensitive to that kind of bashing, it really affect you to be seen as a horribad bigot for the rest of your rp life.

Basically, I'm sure you've heard the words 'fetishizing', 'appropriation', and 'SJ brownie points', and everyone wants to see people in the worst possible light. Not the mention the people who will cuss out someone who makes an honest mistake but not explain what they did wrong because THEY DON'T HAVE TO EDUCATE U. It's frustrating that PoCs get shafted on representation because of that, but I don't see the point in pretending that the only reason a white person would be hesitant to play a PoC is because they are secretly horrible racists.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

what makes this entire thread so funny to me is that i've seen poc ocs handled REALLY BADLY and no one said anything about it. at all.

the app literally used the term "token black friend" since she went to a predominately white upper middle class high school. if they can get away without a single side eye you can get away with some shit too.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

yeah seriously

the only shitty racist interpretation i've ever seen get called out was an asian oc who used r's instead of l's in their dialogue, and that's probably because most dwrpers seem to think they have a phd in asians

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

that depends on the playerbase you app into

there was a recent wankgate kerfuffle over an arab (?) oc

[(Anonymous)]

That's part of it, isn't it? Do you see how the media portrays (if they do at all) people of color? Of the genres you have listed, I can think of minimal fictional examples to draw from. If you wanted to play a magical girl, there are thousands of (white) examples. Superheroes, vampire/hunters, werewolves, and whatever else. They're almost all white. Do you want someone playing a vampire from Vampiyaz (google the cover, please).

The representation you stated above of black people is WHY people are asking.

But I do agree. You write them like anyone else. You give them the same roles, the same interests, whatever. If race comes into it for that particular character, you add to it. If they grew up somewhere like South Africa or Georgia, you mention that. You look that shit up. But some people are too scared of fucking it up so they think they'll try to get advice and then someone with a chip on their shoulder that's a minority chews them out, which is the exact reason they came here for. If they're ignorant, educate don't shame. Shame is why there ARE so many ignorant white folk.

I say this as a mixed race minority who looks mixed race and gets the whole fucking 'you look exotic' bullshit. Which is something I should also mention! If you have a mixed race character, please don't get an ~exotic~ modelface and talk about how attractive they are all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

i thought magical girls were mostly a japan thing