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first of all, saying that dwrp hates them in general is judging the issue based only on some loud people in anon comms. there are hundreds of game protag accounts out there. persona, baldur's gate, dragon age, mass effect, ff14; i see them all the time. i can't think of a persona cast in games that didn't have their protag. i don't think dwrp hates protags as a whole, it's a minority. i think they became a complicated conversation because they are a weird spot for mods to make rules for

second, it depends on the fandom and what you call "hate". because while there aren't as many complaints like we do here, there definitely are parts of fandom that completely ignore the protags and concentrate on the other characters. and the anon above who mentioned the solo vs collaborative thing has a point. in fic, you just filter the protag tag, so you never grow frustrated by having to deal with them. so i'd say there IS some dislike for them out there for the same reasons why we dislike them here, we just don't see rants about it

two example of actual protag dislike i've seen:

r/fireemblem argues about it all the time. half the sub wants to get rid of malleable protags and have proper characters like Ike again.

the dating sim fandom has a huge divide in this. each group even has a name but i can't remember the terms now. one group only consumes protag/character while the other prefers character/character. i remember someone sharing some fandom wank here about a game that asked for fanart but wouldn't accept chara/chara and the protag/chara fans were mad when they saw a yaoi picture. there was also an idol game that had a crossover event and neckbeards were mad that the girls would have to interact with guys from the other game.

i think the former you’re talking about is love and deepspace while the idols thing is the love live x granblue fantasy crossover

love live isn’t a dating sim though so its not part of the dating sim fandom. its a rhythm game, but there are zero male characters that show up although they exist in the world. the fandom does share a lot of traits with the dating sim fandom because while theres no in game dating mechanisms the players create it themselves in their head. thats why there was a backlash because the crossover completely throws off the rules and story they laid over the game.

my bad about mixing the genres

i still think it's pretty telling, though. if love live were to add a manager protag, those people would probably not like it

yeah i get the mix up because i was under the impression that love live was a dating game just from what i picked up online. then i went and actually looked at the game.

honestly i don’t get the appeal of games like this and the horsegirl gacha.

rhythm games are just something fun to do with your fingers, it isn't any deeper than any other game

as someone who is enjoying the horsegirl gatcha, i love the gameplay loop (training to win races). when i was in my teens and early 20s i used to be very into real horseracing and became turned off by the brutality of the sport so it's nice having pictures of happy girls with tails instead of real tortured animals. i generally do one "career run" during my breaks from work throughout the day.

it's funny because i'm not into women and especially not into anime trope girlies but i have become quite invested in my two faves (rudolf and air) and in general i like how much content there is of the girls interacting with each other, genuinely considering watching the anime.

i hate gacha with passion, but the reason is because i hate the gambling, manipulation, power creep, and monetization. that applies to most mobile games and i hate them all equally. that said, the gameplay itself in gacha games is perfecly fine, so i understand the appeal. i would totally play no-gacha versions of many of the popular gacha games like genshin

inb4 genshin people comes to scream that their game doesn't count as gacha for (checks notes) reasons. keep fucking that chicken, guys

Former genshin player here, struggling to understand how one could argue it's not gacha.

+1 also a former player. like, huh? it was literally my first gacha

this has calmed down over the years, it was stronger at the beginning. because genshin is a huge open rpg, many fans want it to be seen as a "serious" game instead of "dumb phone thing" that gacha is usually associated with. so they try to argue that it's not in the gacha genre, it's just a regular rpg with a little gacha on the side. some idiots have also claimed that a single player game (since coop in genshin is optional and there's no vs) can't be gacha because in single player the gacha aspect can be ignored since you don't aren't pushed by the power creep.

inb4 something that hasn't happened in years

nah, i saw it come back with the trailer of that update that adds all the customization stuff. it's not as strong as it used to be but many people definitely saw the update as "proof" that isn't gacha

it's funny though because now i'm seeing the memes that call genshin the new roblox

you must be joking? the new update is universally disliked for being predatory

starting to think you're just making shit up in your head based on a couple tweets

i didn't say it was universally loved, i said i saw some people saying those things. i literally said TWICE that it isn't as strong as it used to be, just that some people think like that. because they do! it's as if different people have different opinions, who would've thought? i even mentioned the roblox memes, which are *mocking* the update - yes, i know most people hated the update, but we weren't talking about those.

anon i think i know where the misunderstanding came in

when you use "inb4" it's typically referring to a contemporary common sentiment held on the website you're currently on, as in dwrp. like it's so common you expect someone to pop up and say "lol it's not a gacha." that's the joke.

i can't vouch for 2020 but no one here would say that in 2025

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(Anonymous) - 2025-11-06 00:21 (UTC) - Expand

i think this might be related to a really weird sentiment i've seen online in some circles where people ridicule the idea that a gacha game could have likable characters or a good story as inherently absurd, in a way that makes me suspect they think "gacha games" are literally just spinning the slot machine to make anime girl pngs appear

i’ve heard really good things about the story in yoko taro gachas (sinoalice and the nier one) but i just couldn’t get into them because the grind between the stories just completely turned me off. and it sucks they’ve both been shut down and there’s no signs of them giving access to the story even though the nier one apparently drops some pretty heavy world lore.

there is a lot of that sentiment, yeah! there's also the fact that many of the gacha games have like... short, quick levels? for quick phone sessions. for example the maps in fire emblem heroes are small and you only use a handful of characters. so they see gacha games as "dumbed down" versions of the "real games".

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yeah, that's what i think too. not saying the hyper-defensive gacha players aren't annoying because they are, but i think it originally started because people would go "lol gacha slop" at any game, no matter the depth of writing or characterization it had, acting like these two things are mutually exclusive. and now people just perceive any criticism against gacha as that because ig none of us ever learned how to read.

i actually meant it from the other side, like people think "gacha games are just gambling for waifus. genshin has actual gameplay. therefore genshin must not be a gacha game." but what you're saying also makes sense.

ahhhhh i see how you meant it. yeah, at the end of the day these two sides are basically a circle.

in an ideal world, we can all agree a game can be gacha (which is a bad/predatory monetization model) and still be a good game at the same time, and people have the right to decide if it's good enough for them to tolerate the gacha or not. unfortunately, instead we get ragebait "it's gacha so it's shit" vs hyper-defensive "well actually MY game isn't gacha because it's not shit". both of which are stupid af.

Re: Love Live and Granblue Fantasy collab.

As someone who used to play Love Live: School Idol Festival and who has seen the story from the collab posted online, neckbeards got pissed over nothing, lmao. The girls barely interacted with the male characters, if at all, while they get plenty of shipteasing with the blue-haired girl from GBF.

Fun fact: LLSIF also had a Code Geass collab, featuring the Aqours girls and Lelouch, C.C., and Nunnally. In story, Lelouch got turned into a plush and none of the Aqours girls got to hear him. Meanwhile, all of the girls interacted with each other instead, lol. My guess is the staff knew the neckbeards would act like babies, so the above scenario was a countermeasure.

being quite honest, anyone in FE fandom who considers Ike the last “proper” video game character are the same ones who think the game wasn’t always anime

since, regardless of what you thought of engage, Alear wasn’t malleable. they had a clear defined character and, early on in the story, actually were pretty cowardly despite expectation on them to act heroic given their role as the divine dragon.

it’s a criticism made by people who haven’t touched or played very far into any of the FE games they are criticizing.

i didn't say that ike was the last one, he was just the best example since not many people know the protags from the older games

and yeah, alear, corrin, and robin weren't that much malleable, they're part of the discussion, don't worry. most people in the sub played the new games, it's the old ones that have seen less play. in fact the most obnoxious people in the sub are the folks that have only played 3H and expect every game to be like that, when 3H was actually an outlier. (for the record, i'm not trying to gatekeep, it's fine if you play only 3H and nothing else, just don't be an ass about it)

the thing about the protags since robin is that they still have lots of horrible self-insert tropes attached to them. they gave alear a reason in universe for everyone to kiss their ass, but it's still incredibly annoying. and i say this as someone who loved engage, which is a very divisive game.

of the new protags, shez from 3 hopes is actually a big favorite in the sub precisely because they avoid many of those tropes

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