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ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

i'm a guy, who's been married for 2 years, to another guy. but ok.

da

[(Anonymous)]

tbh, i'm interested to hear your perspective on how m/m is treated and written in dwrp. genuinely. what are some of the worst parts? how would you suggest doing it better?

dda

[(Anonymous)]

Another gay anon here in a long term relationship and tbh there's nothing massive to spill, in my opinion. The other anon may have their own strong thoughts and feelings and they're entirely entitled to them, but for me I don't see the m/m stuff on dwrp as fetishizing any more than anything else around here.

There's a massive blind spot when it comes to things that are or have become really common parts of gay male sex, but then not everyone wants to think about the reality of poz status or incorporate poppers into their RP and I can't really blame anyone for that.

For me, when it comes to how m/m is written on DWRP I'm less bothered by the IC stuff than I am about some of the OOC opinions I see. The writing is fine and while it's sometimes funny to see the person I'm writing with just totally ignore the fact that balls exist or whatever, none of it is offensive or wildly factually inaccurate just because it's a woman/non-gay guy is writing the other half of the pairing with me. Being a gay guy doesn't immediately mean that we become gods of writing gay smut by default because bad writing is sometimes just bad writing. I've written with plenty of guys who are just awful writers, on DW and other sites, and there's honestly a reason that I stick around here for my m/m shit.

What bothers me is when I happen to catch OOC discussions where players act like they know all about gay male sex and sub-culture from playing a couple of pretty white LA men or anime boys online. The seme/uke shit has calmed down a lot over the years but it's still sort of there with people thinking that the exclusive top/bottom, dom/sub thing is like the word of gay god or whatever. While there are loads of guys who are rigidly in their box irl, when it comes to RP there is this weird superiority thing going on where non-gay guys seem to think they've reached some moral high ground of realism because they're not "actually" playing the seme/uke thing anymore, they're playing "a twink" or "a sub" or "a bottom" like that's more mature or respectful or something. But ultimately the way that dynamic plays out isn't wildly different there's just less crying and iyaaaaa~n-ing these days.

I personally don't care that people here mostly want to write dick A goes into ass-slot B, overwhelming want someone else to top, and like their mushy yaoi tropes (and that's not exclusive to anime players either fyi) because honestly people are mostly IC and you can find some good stuff over here.

It is a shame that if you wanted to play out some of the more realistic parts of gay male risky sex you're basically committing reputation suicide under a lot of non-gay guys getting angry and indignant on your behalf. There was some wank not too long ago about poz characters and bug-chasing/risk of infection being the worst and most disgusting thing in the whole wide world sweet baby jeeeeezuz and that bothered me because, again, it was a bunch of people being pissed and disgusted on my behalf as a gay dude. Or were just plain disgusted by the idea that real gay men sometimes get HIV/AIDS and there's a niche fetish around consensual risk of infection. I mean, I have poz friends and when I see m/m players and people in general fly off the handle about how disgusting or offensive it is to even reference HIV ICly or play a poz character, or even entertain even the fleeting idea of writing fictional bug-chasing, that bothers me a whole lot. But again I'm not mad at dw rp as a whole for not wanting to embrace these topics during their pretty boy pretendy fun times. They're contentious, heavy issues so I get it.

I guess what I'm saying overall, to me, there's nothing to really worry about. As far as areas in the world where I feel uncomfortable as a gay dude go, dw rp's handling of m/m shit really isn't one of them and most of the issues for me come from OOC attitudes more than IC writing.

Re: dda

[(Anonymous)]

This is a good response.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

You don't speak for all gay people and this isn't an LGBT issue. I'm a lesbian who doesn't give a shit if straight men want to write dumb hentai trope f/f.

It's fucking roleplay. Get over it.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

nowhere did he claim to speak for all gay people. go take a valium, fatass.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

r u.......... ok