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no one said they deserve to die, nonny. but i guarantee the girls themselves don't care whether or not they live or die. they aren't capable of caring. they have no concept of death. it would be pointless to ask them. if you could, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

their mother will continue to care for them until end of life, which is all that can be done, really.

yeah. i know. it's very sad, and one of those problems that doesn't really have a solution.

http://rpanons.dreamwidth.org/68867.html?thread=219895555#cmt219895555

do you read threads before responding to them?

that post doesn't say anywhere that they deserve to die.

it doesn't literally say that, no.

it does say "i'd murder them if i had the chance" though, which kind of fucking implies it.

idk "deserve to die" here doesn't really have the same connotation as it does for the rest of the population because it's such a specialized case. death would either be altogether much kinder or it'd make no difference for these girls. they have no concept of being alive. they don't know that they're alive. they're child-shaped organ bags with no sense of self or anything else.

they don't "deserve" it in the sense that they've done something wrong. they've never hurt anybody. but like the other anon said, they have NO quality of life whatsoever.

i guess. but the post wasn't advocating for killing them, i guess i interpreted it as a "i would personally choose to mercy kill them" thing, not a "they should definitely, absolutely be put out of their misery immediately by whoever has access to them" thing.

yeah, this basically. you worded it better than i could.

anon, the hartleys are a pretty tragic case

they're two vegetables with a degenerative brain disease who have been kept alive by their mom for about 10 years now. they cannot move, speak, interact with anything, or even keep their eyes focused on you. one has a feeding tube, one eats nothing but pureed vegetables and goat milk. they shit and piss themselves constantly from their diet and their faces are constantly contorted in pain or completely blank. they literally have no quality of life, they are not conscious enough to recognize it as anything but a series of pain and and hunger and fear and then blankness. whenever those things go away, which is totally at the mercy of outside sources.

this is not a case of 'ew the disabled person is gross' it's 'holy fuck these humans are just barely humans and it's disgusting to keep them alive because it's basically gentle torture'.

that's a whole lot of moral tapdancing to get around the fact that someone is willing to murder other human beings just because their existence grosses them out, thus pretty clearly implying they deserve to die, but okei

i read that as them saying they'd never want to be in a situation where they'd have to raise children like this, hence killing them instead of pointlessly holding on.

yeah. i don't think they should be smothered with a pillow, but i do thing their mother should have taken the doctor's advice and signed the do-not-resuscitate and let them go when it was time.

better to realize this sooner than later.

I'm still friends with people I left on the backburner, but we've moved on to play in different fandoms and now I can only lament what could have been. it's not the sort of thing a good friend would do.

which makes a stranger saying they'd murder them given the chance, under the admittance that it's because they creep them out, perfectly okay.

okei

"okei" nonny. you do you.

parent up. anon's saying they'd kill them because they scare anon.

i really don't think that anon meant it in the way you keep saying, as if they'd willingly murder anyone because ~they're gross~ but keep fucking that chicken.

i'm not sure why you're so upset about this in a thread about irrational fears. i'm sure they know it's irrational. they even admitted it was fucked up.

even so, actually killing them is still murder and i find something morally abhorrent in taking the life of something so defenseless. i said it just above but the kindest thing to do would be to sign a DNR the way the doctor recommended.

yeah but ... no one was arguing that it wouldn't be murder, or that it wouldn't be morally abhorrent. i'm sure everyone here actually agrees with you.

i really question the thought process of someone who thinks it is 'kind' to keep someone alive when they have zero quality of life.

i do not think you understand the hartley situation. what anons have described of it is just scraping the tip of the iceberg.

not trying to troll or start an argument so i will end this discussion here, but it scares me to think some people have no concept of euthanasia or mercy-killing and would rather keep something suffering just so it can remain alive, as if a life lived suffering is better than some kind of relief, aka ending that suffering.

i have concept of euthanasia, but in my opinion euthanasia is something that should always be performed with the consent of the person who is going to die.

and i'm not advocating keeping the poor children alive-- i just don't think it's right to actively take their lives. do you know what a DNR is? it stands for do not resuscitate. if you sign that, and you or the person you signed on the behalf of goes into cardiac or respiratory or other major distress, you don't resuscitate. you let them go.

it's like euthanising an animal whose quality of life has deteriorated to the point where it's kinder to do so than keep them living for no reason but to feel more pain. sure, it's not an easy decision to make and i certainly wouldn't advocate smothering anyone with pillows, but at some point, euthanasia becomes the humane thing to do. you are the person they depend on for everything, that means you have to be prepared to make the kinder choice when/if the time comes because they can't make it themselves. it's not so much murder as it is mercy.

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there's a difference between what ayrt seems to think this is about ("they should die because they are barely human") and what this is really about ("they have no quality of life, the strongest thing they are capable of feeling is extreme pain, and would easily be better off dead").

many people say shit like "if something happens to me, and i can no longer walk, talk, think, eat, take care of myself, etc, then pull the plug". how is this ANY different? it's not. in any way whatsoever. these girls are literally living that life. every single day. for more than a decade, they have lived the exact kind of life the majority of the population would want to be euthanized for.

and so the hartley children live another ten years, their nutritionally-deficient diet going right through them on the hour, muscles tensed constantly to the point they break the skin of their palms with their nails and they have dislocated their own hips from the endless pressure, never being able to remember a thing or understand they're being 'cared' for or that they even exist, except that this by-the-moment reality of theirs is constant pain and nausea and fear and hunger.

they can't take pain medication. they can't eat properly. they sleep very little. it's soft torture to keep them alive. i don't care if i'm "morally wrong" for saying this, they need to be put out of their misery.

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