rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2014-05-09 07:39 pm

I thought it was a chocolate chip

Rundown: [community profile] rpanons is an anonymous community for role-play related topics. This place serves as a forum for game discussions, canon discussions, RP solicitations (ATP, game ads, open memes), and advice. The occasional off topic comment is inevitable, but please keep heated social and political topics to their respective communities. Posting them here will only get them frozen. Subsequent threads made to bypass a freeze will then be deleted.

Rules:

Do not post pornographic or shocking images.
Do not share private entries, plurks, chat logs, etc.
Do not use this community as your social/political/hatespeech soapbox.
Do not be redundant. One page does not need three or more threads on one topic/theme.
Do not treat this comm like your personal Plurk or Twitter. Off-topic happens, but it should be open for discussion and not just a play-by-play of your life. No one cares.


CONCERNS | RESOURCES


Navigate:

LATEST PAGE | GAME DISCUSSIONS | CANON DISCUSSIONS | HTML/GRAPHIC HELP

ATP/ENABLE ME | GAME ADVERTISEMENTS | PB SUGGESTIONS | USERNAME SUGGESTIONS

GAME IDEAS | CHARACTER ADVICE | RP WITH ME | NEW! TEST DRIVES

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so annoyed. Conchita Wurst said she's not transgender and now people are getting mad becuase "Non-binary IS transgender, this is erasure!!" "She's not cis, so she's trans this is stupid."

Except Conchita isn't non-binary either. Conchita uses "she" onstage as part of a drag persona and off stage Conchita is a cis man.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
conchita is a cis man??? holy crap, he looked so good that i thought he was faab

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
that's mean :( lots of trans women look good

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
you know that's not what i meant, anon

don't try to start shit

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Then... what DID you mean?

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-11 23:50 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
god christ i need to brush up on my lingo

i was staring at your comment going 'of course he's fucking fab he's conchita you swine'

but then i realised you didnt just make a typo and you meant female assigned at birth

jesus i feel kind of dumb now ngl

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
you aren't the only one

but i tend to view tumblrspeak like i view ingsoc so

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
a lot of drag queens use female pronouns when in costume/character and they have for decades. this should shock nobody but...

tumblr and shit really need to catch the fuck up because it's annoying as hell. i'm non-binary and their shit is the actual worst. you don't get to decide someone's gender for them; i thought that was the whole point of this shit to begin with

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
A couple of them are trying to be "understanding" because "oh, well, a lot of people are uneducated about the non-binary aspect of transness" and I'm like, even if someone is non-binary, if they say they're not trans, they're not. Conchita was even super respectful of a fellow performer who IS a transgender person.

da

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
waaait how can someone be non-binary but not trans? would this person be intersex? [i dont know much about that subject in particular but i DO know a person is trans if they don't identify with the gender they were assigned at birth]

DDA

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends, I think. There are some non-binary people who consider themselves transgender because they don't identify as male or female and some who don't consider themselves transgender for the same reason because they don't have a gender to "transition" to or from, which IIRC, was what the term transgender originally meant.

Re: da

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-11 23:51 (UTC) - Expand

dda

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:07 (UTC) - Expand

Re: da

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:09 (UTC) - Expand

Re: da

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:07 (UTC) - Expand

dda

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:14 (UTC) - Expand

ayrt

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:17 (UTC) - Expand

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:22 (UTC) - Expand

Re: dda

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 00:20 (UTC) - Expand

Re: dda

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 01:59 (UTC) - Expand

Re: da

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-13 02:22 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish I could say this surprises me, but considering how often those people insist that crossdressing must mean you're transgender, it's not very surprising at all. Of course they'd conflate drag personas with someone's actual identity too.

How the fuck are they getting "erasure" from this, though? Maybe if it was someone other than Conchita going "oh yeah Wurst's cis," but it's not, ffs. If there's any erasure going on here, it's those people insisting that someone's chosen identity is actually something other than what that person says it is.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It's people assuming that by speaking about about her own identity (which they assumed was non-binary and not trans) Conchita was invalidating the identities of non-binary people who do consider themselves trans.

NGL, I always thought that trans referred to someone who was transitioning/had transitioned from their assigned gender to their identified gender.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I'm NB, and if you ask me that's still bullshit. They're the ones that were making assumptions about Conchita. It would've taken maybe a few minutes to find out that she's the drag persona of a cis guy called Tom Neuwirth who came up with the persona as a reaction and statement about discrimination, especially since this isn't even the first time he's gone on stage as Conchita.

Trans = identifies as something other than their assigned sex, experiences gender dysphoria because of that. That's about it. Most trans people want to transition, but it's not an option for everyone and being mid- or post-transition isn't a requirement for being trans.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-11 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
what do you expect from an internet culture where there are people who insist on being referred to by "fae" pronouns?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
"bunself"

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
"buttself"

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-12 14:36 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen that post and I'm lol that now that Conchita has confirmed that she's not trans, at least one or two people are saying that she's racist. I guess for using the name Conchita?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
If that does end up being their reasoning, it's stupid reasoning. Conchita is a Spanish name.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Neuwirth literally got the name for his Conchita persona from a Cuban friend. As in, she gave him that name.

Would it kill these people to actually get their facts right if they're going to complain? Digging for (not even correct!) reasons to attack someone who picked up that persona in the first place to make a statement against discrimination of minorities is pretty fucking shitty.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
anon didn't you know? tumblr eats their pasta without sauce

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
it's a spanish name... in certain parts of latinamerican. in mine it means little pussy. reading this thread is hilarious.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
i saw that post too and they're getting onto this person for not doing activism or donating money for trans causes for something?

and it's like lol you guys can scream about how it's not your job to educate people but as soon as another person doesn't want to then they're contributing to the problem

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
siiiiiiiiighhh no one cares

+1

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Rpanons is basically Tumblr News Station.