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While I feel like I have a pretty good idea of his personality from the movies, my comics knowledge is pretty weak. So! What would be some good, Cap centric stories to read so I can get a better feel for his character? Winter Soldier is obvious, but I was wondering what else I should look for.

I can rec you good Cap stories all day long, but I wouldn't recommend using them to get a better handle on the MCU version since they're not the same character. Not as night and day as say Ultimate Cap and movie Cap, but there's still a lot of differences.

That being said, for good Cap books, I'd recommend Steve Englehart's run in addition to Brubaker's. A lot of what you saw in Cap 2 with the HYDRA infiltration and the corrupt government came from Englehart's Secret Empire arc.

I'd also recommend reading from Avengers 16 on, at least for a little while. That's when Cap finds himself put in charge of the Avengers, and adds three, at the time, villains to the roster (Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver).

Ed Brubaker's run is of course, a given, beginning with Winter Soldier and at least reading through Captain America: Reborn. That's all fantastic stuff.

Remender's current run is extremely...different from almost everything done before with Cap. The first volume's more sci-fi pulp than Captain America, but it's still pretty interesting and worth a look. After that it goes into an arc with Nuke which is absolutely worth a read, which sets up the current stuff with Dr. Mindbubble. YMMV on that last one.

I'd also suggest, if you haven't done so already, reading the tie-in comics for Cap 1 and Cap 2 for supplemental information. That would be way more useful for fleshing movie Cap out than 616 stuff.

for the last fucking time

mcu =/= comics

stop it

Comics Cap teamed up with the Human Torch (and not Johnny Storm), Toro, Namor, and Bucky (who was a few years his junior and someone he mentored and was the big brother figure to: Bucky was inspired by Cap's heroics and wanted to be a good sidekick but you wanted to know about Steve, not him) to form the Invaders. They fought the Nazis and the like. Eventually, near the end of WWII, Steve and Bucky attempt to diffuse a rocket/experimental plane. Bucky's attempts to diffuse it cause it to explode in midair and it's presumed that he died in that explosion. Steve gets plunged into the icy waters below and is also presumed dead.

And then the differences start piling on the further you go into canon. Steve's active for several years before Bucky appears as a thing and has had time to move on by himself and figure out his role in the world. Steve uses a Cosmic Cube to literally retcon reality and return Bucky's memories to him opposed to just looking in his eyes and being all, "We're friends. FRIENDSHIP." Sam has a telepathic bond to a falcon. Natasha's in her...70s? Around there, I think, technically. Opposed to being born whenever the movies said she was born, but I'm too lazy to look up the specifics.

Which is pretty much what everyone else said, in that Marvel 616 isn't the same as the MCU, but I figured listing out the differences like that would really underscore the fact that one took a left turn and the other a right and while there's similarities there's also really fucking dramatic differences.

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I have nothing to add, because I agree with most of this, but I figured I'd drop MCU-Natasha's birth year.

(Or stated birth year, I'm not sure whether it's strictly a reference gag by the writers, or supposed to be a sly in-universe one as well.)

It's canon until something else contradicts it. For what it's worth, when Van Lente was interviewed about the tie-in comic for Cap 2, he also confirmed that MCU Natasha isn't the age she is in the comics.

I didn't think she was. I just wouldn't be surprised if her actual birth year winds up being something different when they finally get around to giving her origin story, mostly because the KGB namedrop is utterly nonsensical with the current timeline.

Either way, I find the reference amusing, whether it's in-universe or just for audience consumption.

Child soldier in the last days of the Cold War, maybe?

Could also be wackiness brought about by alternate universes and various real life events lasting for a different duration in the MCU.

That's true too. Another possibility is that she actually worked for the SVR but since more people are used to the name KGB, they went with that instead.

If the part you disagree with is my reading of Steve and Bucky's relationship I can totally see them hooking up in the modern day, but I think during the Invaders years there was a power balance in their relationship which definitely favored Steve (seasoned hero and the first sidekick, Bucky became an adult during the war and not before it) and would impede any hooking up in the 20s. You know, opposed to the movies in which it was more plausible from the get go and the power balance favored Bucky, not Steve.

OP, I'm totally getting off topic here, but you see our point about not crossing the lines. You'll be fine with just movie stuff, and kick ass.

It wasn't. I don't actually ship them. There's nothing I really disagree with that isn't basically personal interpretation of character mindset on a fairly trivial level.

Okay, cool, because I know it's a Thing (capital T intended) in some circles so I figured I'd clear that part up and then circle back to hammer in the entire different universes part.

Comic Nat is actually only like six or so years younger than Comic Bucky himself. They ran into her during a mission in WWII when she was a young teen or preteen.

Also Comic Bucky did not receive any version of the super soldier serum and had to be resuscitated so the Russians could turn him into the Winter Soldier. In the movie, HYDRA turned him into the Winter Soldier although it does seem like the Russians had some influence (not surprising considering HYDRA was playing both sides of the field during the Cold War). The serum that kept him alive is possible also what is healing his mind and makes him so unstable for their brainwashing, unlike the comic version who had amnesia and only had memories start to come back when certain triggers caused it.

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