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i don't know about that but

"[I]t did not seem as though he were aware there was on earth a thing called woman. He had but one passion - the right; but one thought - to overthrow the obstacle. [...] He hardly saw the roses, he ignored spring, he did not hear the carolling of the birds; the bare throat of Evadne would have moved him no more than it would have moved Aristogeiton; he, like Harmodius, thought flowers good for nothing except to conceal the sword. He was severe in his enjoyments. He chastely dropped his eyes before everything which was not the Republic. [...] Woe to the love-affair which should have risked itself beside him! If any grisette of the Place Cambrai or the Rue Saint-Jean-de-Beauvais, seeing that face of a youth escaped from college, that page's mien, those long, golden lashes, those blue eyes, that hair billowing in the wind, those rosy cheeks, those fresh lips, those exquisite teeth, had conceived an appetite for that complete aurora, and had tried her beauty on Enjolras, an astounding and terrible glance would have promptly shown her the abyss[.]"

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there's that

oh wow

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the abyss, huh

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that hugo prob. didn't mean the abyss of love

You should crit them.

I know that they're already well aware that this argument against their characterization exists. In fact, they've said before they think it's funny that they're playing him OOC in this regard because they think it's sticking it to tumblr SJWs who are always crying "queer erasure".

I can't be taken seriously in that kind of environment, so there's really no point in trying.

considering both the players involved are queer, i'm calling bullshit on that

okay, don't really care what you think, i saw it myself.

caps plz

can't do that.

i wonder why

>Do not share private entries, plurks, chat logs, etc.

anon

WG don't care. take it there dumbass.

you don't read much

plus isn't lisa an lgbt rights lawyer or something?

so they can't possibly think it's funny to hypothetically piss off irritating SJWs on tumblr?

literally they said something along the lines of "oh no, we're not playing enjolras as asexual and that's CANON! somebody call tumblr on us!" or something to that degree.

i don't have to convince you, anon. i'm only reporting what i know and what i've seen. i'm not calling them evil mean queer erasing hets because I don't think they are that.

the whiteknights don't care

TBH there's no point in critting Lisa anyway. She can't take it.

lisa isn't the one who needs to be critted in this situation

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I like how you ignore that the reasons that, at least Lisa, tends to get frustrated with Tumblr SJWs is because they appropriate real life issues that she spends all day actually working over (like queer rights) to push their fandom agendas, often pushing over into the territory of bullying.

like, you know, making nasty anon comments about a character who is, at best, asexual in canon. and, as many asexual will tell you, being asexual doesn't mean you can't fall in romantic love. So, you're also practicing another form of erasure, if we're going to get into that.

and instead try to paint her as an anti-representation homophobe.

"nasty anon comments"? when and where did I do that? and "about a character"? all I did was quote canon. I literally quoted Victor Hugo. i'm sorry that was mean to enjolras somehow.

I am NOT the ones saying what they're doing is queer erasure because i don't want to bring that SJW shit into this. i AM saying it's OOC because it is.

the fact that people start thinking i'm a SJW and calling Lisa a homophobe just because I posted a literal quote from the book is the reason why I can't crit them. the SJWs have already invalidated anything I could try to say.

ok, you seem to not be such an asshole as you came across as at first. sorry for snapping.

it wasn't that comment quoting canon that came across so inflammatory. canon is canon. It's this one: http://rpanons.dreamwidth.org/42167.html?thread=122948279#cmt122948279

and there's still a pretty big issue with saying that someone is asexual but can't fall in love. that's...not what being asexual means. so even if you DID follow the asexual characterization (which is arguable) having someone slowly develop into a relationship is not going against that canon. he is a character who is VERY tied into his canon and goals there in...taken out of that canon and away from those goals.

so if you think someone who has one goal in canon, and isn't interested in anyone because of that goal can't change a little when they literally cannot follow that goal...that's a strange stance to take. If you think they can, but have issues with how it's being played, you should crit. and implying you won't be listened to because they don't take tumblr sjw seriously is silly if you have a point that isn't being a tumblr sjw.

I don't see how it can be inflammatory when I'm just stating what I have seen with my own two eyes, but we're clearly not going to agree on this.

i'm not saying enjolras is asexual. i'm saying enjolras being in a relationship with anybody is OOC. that's a big difference. hugo does use the word "chaste" but that is the only insight he gives us into enjolras' desire for sex. you don't seem to be reading all of the quote that i left.

"Woe to the love-affair which should have risked itself beside him! If any grisette of the Place Cambrai or the Rue Saint-Jean-de-Beauvais, seeing that face of a youth escaped from college, that page's mien, those long, golden lashes, those blue eyes, that hair billowing in the wind, those rosy cheeks, those fresh lips, those exquisite teeth, had conceived an appetite for that complete aurora, and had tried her beauty on Enjolras, an astounding and terrible glance would have promptly shown her the abyss."

There's all of that, which isn't necessarily talking about a sexual relationship.

"He had but one passion - the right; but one thought - to overthrow the obstacle. [...] He hardly saw the roses, he ignored spring, he did not hear the carolling of the birds; the bare throat of Evadne would have moved him no more than it would have moved Aristogeiton"

The roses and spring Hugo is talking about here are not literal roses and literal spring.

In the end, it doesn't matter how much they've built up the relationship or for how long, because Hugo made his intentions of Enjolras' character extremely, extremely clear. He didn't write "the bare throat of Evadne would have eventually moved him".

I completely agree with you that Enjolras is a man driven by very clear goals in his canon - but the Games is a ... game... where Enjolras would, in my mind, immediately take up very, very similar goals. The Hunger Games is a series about rebellion and revolution, and Enjolras would be so embroiled in that that there would be no way he would be involved in a romantic relationship. And you don't have to take my word for it, because that is exactly what Victor Hugo wrote.

I do think we're going to just have to agree to disagree. I read the whole quote, I just do not think it is as iron clad as you do. you are correct, victory hugo never wrote "and if you end up in an alternate universe in the far future, maybe then you'll want some hot lovin"

I don't think, based on just the text, that these developments are inherently OOC. If he was ignoring the rebellion for romance, maybe, yeah. but in game, the romance has been extremely down played in comparison to his rebellious activity. it does get played up more on plurk, but...plurk.

Personally, I think even if Enjolras were to want some hot lovin', I'm not sure why it would be with Venus of all people. They're very... different characters, and I don't understand why he would condone or admire her when she doesn't hesitate to kill in the Arena, and plays up the Capitol angle.

From what I understand of Les Mis, it seems more like he'd disapprove?? I mean, I get that the muns are like bffls but as far as the characters go, I dunno, I'm not convinced.

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