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I guess that's the reason why they made EDI say that. I'm still not sure I agree with it 100%, though. I've never really seen Horizon as him passing judgment (not towards Shepard, at least, he had all the rights to be judgmental towards Cerberus considering their past adventures against them) but more as him feeling betrayed about the commander's actions and thus not giving Shepard time to explain him/herself.

Mars is a completely different monster. ~~I always saw it as Bioware fixing what they did on Horizon because they remembered that Kaidan and Ashley are different characters with different personalities!!~~ But I really don't believe his issues with Shepard are out of judgment right there. He's spending the time during that situation trying to understand if the man or woman in front of him is the same one he went to hell and back with. He even says he does trust "Shepard".

Still, even if Horizon was him being judgmental (and I'm not saying it wasn't, because the more I think about it the more it makes sense) I'm still not sure the adjective warrants being labeled as a character trait. Not with the rest of the games taken in consideration, anyway. For example: we see him telling Shepard that the councilors not being helpful isn't them being downright malicious, just slow to change (a judgmental person would say... what Ashley said about the council). We see him telling Tali that people who judge her by her race are ignorant (a judgmental person would be judging tali for her race as well). And -- I can't remember if I said this in my previous comment, forgive me if I did -- we even see him telling Shepard that he didn't end up hating on all aliens just because of one asshole.

So yes, tl;dr: what I'm trying to say is that I've never really seen him as someone who passes judgment left and right enough to be called judgmental. ~~I'd argue it's the other way around. And it makes sense considering the fact that he grew up victim of discrimination.~~

I'M SORRY IF THIS LOOKS LIKE I'M ARGUING WITH YOUR POINT it's been actually very helpful because I'm still right after writing all this crap double thinking my characterization and words.

SO YEAH THANK YOU A LOT I'd even appreciate other counterarguments!!

Kaidan isn't racist, but that doesn't exclude other types of judgement. It's also probably something that stood out to EDI because he mentions somewhere in the third game (I think it's on Rannoch) that he never thought he'd have to deal with geth again. This would be after Shepard's worked with Legion in two, and has undoubtedly reported on what all went on with the reapers reprogramming the heretics, and Legion being a trustworthy ally. As another AI, that would have impact on her. So in her view he's judgmental. There is no hard line saying EDI is right all the time about everyone.

But let's go back to judgment and racism, because that may be where you're getting hung up. And we're going to use Garrus as an example again because I play him and that makes it easier on me, LOL. Garrus starts out a little racist. He judges Wrex so hard, makes comments about the quarians, doesn't really get other races and their viewpoints because he's been so isolated from having time to get to know them. By the second game he's outgrown that. He respects them and their differences and is no longer racist. And what does he do? Judges an entire space station - Omega. Archangel deals out judgment. The quarian he killed with a cough, the slaver he broke all the bones of, it's all judging. They were found wanting, and wind up with Garrus' take on justice. Sidonis is a turian. Garrus judges him. It's not all racism.

And it's totally fine! This is a discussion, not arguing, so I'm good with it.

Oh! I didn't think about the geth + EDI thing. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

But yes, I probably shouldn't fixate on it as much I'm doing. I just automatically assume that when a character in a videogame/comic or whatever says something like that is usually a way for the writers to point out a (implied or not) character trait.

Regardless, this helped more than it may look like. So thanks again, and I'm glad my answer didn't come off as annoying!!

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