rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2014-01-16 04:26 pm

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Re: da

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Interrupting a woman when she's talking, or shutting down a woman in the middle of saying something with something like, "No, that's wrong/not true/actually, it's..."

Granted, some guys (and a very few girls, but it seems like mostly guys in my experience) are like this with everyone and basically constantly interrupt and talk over people all the time, other men too, not just women. But I've also known guys who, when a guy was talking, would wait until he was done speaking to say something but then as soon as a woman said something, literally sometimes almost as soon as she opened her mouth, he'd immediately jump in and interrupt her. It wasn't really a mean thing, just an assumptive one? I don't know how to explain it but I knew it when I saw it.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
In my experience I've seen a lot of women do this to men and other women, especially if they feel strongly about something. Nobody likes having their convictions challenged.

Honestly it seems to be more a matter of personality and upbringing regardless of gender. As you say, not every guy you've met was the type to exclusively interrupt women, instead doing it to everyone.

da

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, but it's still much more common in guys.

+1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
There is statistical evidence that this is the case.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
got links handy?

-1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
but why treat it as if all men do this

or that they do it only to women

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
because most men do it and it's far more likely to happen to women bc we live in a sexist society

if you know guys that don't do that, great, but it happens. a lot.

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
no, making it out to be a thing men only do to women ignores the fact that women do it too

it's just a shitty personality trait, not sexism

also, "most" is not "all"

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
women do it too but much much less

i can't find the study right now, but if i can i'll link you. anyway, when women spoke as much as men, the men thought that the women were overpowering the conversation/talking too much. i'm not making this up, anon.

and i never said that all guys do it? but you're so defensive about this that you're probably a guy

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
it's implied by having a thing called "speaking over women" in the first place

by doing that you're basically ignoring and excusing any case where a person is interrupting or just being plain rude to another person that doesn't involve a man and a woman

first anon to mention it claimed all men they've ever came across do it, but later admitted that some guys just did it to everyone

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm not ignoring that but it's not relevant to the discussion because we're specifically talking about guys who talk over women

yes, some guys just do it to everyone. yes, some girls do it to everyone. but there is an overwhelming amount of men who only do it to women because of sexism and if you can't see that, i'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

i'm done trying to argue with a brick wall, though. bye.

nayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/prejudice/women/

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/html/icb.topic58474/krupnick.html

dude, it's a thing men overwhelmingly do to women

it's absolutely sexism

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
alright, thanks

the harvard link is especially informative

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
you're welcome

it's the sort of thing that often doesn't get noticed (by either gender) until studies are performed, videos recorded, and people really start seeing who's talking, how much they talk, who's encouraged to talk, and so on and so forth.

Re: -1

(Anonymous) 2014-01-19 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
You sound like a butthurt dude

da

(Anonymous) 2014-01-19 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
There is such a thing as female MRAs, you know.

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-19 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
gender effects upbringing.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-01-19 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
Like I said, some women do do it too. It's not exclusively a male trait, but it is more common in men.

But it's not just about having their convictions challenged. I've known guys who did this in casual low-stakes conversations where nobody's really talking about anything that could seriously challenge anyone's convictions. A lot of the time when they did it they weren't mad or especially passionate. They just seemed to do it on automatic, without really thinking.

Some guys (and girls) are like this with everybody. But some guys are like this specifically with women, and only with women, while being able to hold a polite conversation with other guys.

Not only that but I actually agree on upbringing being a factor, which is why I think it's more common in guys. We're more likely to teach guys to stick up for themselves and girls to back down, so that's what a lot of people (not every single person who has ever existed, no, but enough for there to be a noticeable trend) end up being like.