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serious question;

Chihiro Fujisaki. Male or Female (which would indicate trans*) and why?

Male. Chihiro wants to become stronger, specifically like Mondo, who is of course a man, and he dresses like a girl because, at least to him, it's better/easier than being picked on for not being manly. Until Monobear threatens to reveal his secret and instead of despairing about his secret, decides to become stronger so he won't feel like he has to wear girl's clothing anymore.

*and he decides to

male. he uses a male pronoun (boku) for himself, he outright starts crying when mondo questions him feeling down about mondo defending him against togami when he was "bullying the weak" by saying that it's natural for girls to be weak (and the manga confirms it's the bit about girls being naturally weak that made him cry), and his entire issue was about disguising as a girl so he wouldn't be bullied for being too weak to meet the standard expected from men... except that made him even more uncomfortable, which is why he eventually starts working out and wants to become like mondo.

even if you think monobear was lying about his explanation for chihiro's actions at the end of the second trial, the manga confirms that, so it's p. obvious he wasn't lying. and then there's alter ego using boku for himself and a really masculine term (goshujin-tama) when talking about chihiro.

there's a few more things that make it even more clear, but since they're in materials that haven't been translated yet i'll refrain from mentioning them for now.

i really don't understand why this is debated so often in some parts of the fandom, let alone with so much hostility.

i don't even understand why people think monobear would have a reason to lie

surely the more despair-inducing backstory would be if chihiro was trans*?

my thought exactly. besides, it doesn't even make sense considering he was clearly telling the truth about mondo's backstory, so why would he have lied about chihiro's?

Male, because it's stated in canon. He doesn't identify as a girl, so there's no reason to use female pronouns or treat him like a trans* character.

I understand the desire for representation in media, really, but trans* Fujisaki is just a willful misinterpretation of canon material.

that and Sakura checked the body and pretty much confirmed everything underneath the skirt was man parts

it's not that hard to understand fandom jfc.

I don't think you're quite understanding what trans* is

I mean, chihiro is a guy and canonly thinks of himself as a guy, but man parts =/= man necessarily

...jfc I sound like tumblr

Don't worry, anon. All you did was state the truth.

You're 100 years too early to sound like tumblr.

Honest answer? I could see Chihiro as either cis or trans*, as long as trans* players didn't try to pull a "and she was trans ALL ALONG (it's so obvious and if you think otherwise you're transphobic)!" thing.

Canon probably leans towards Chihiro being a boy, but I think there's more than enough leeway that trans* girl or even genderqueer kid wouldn't be out of the question if done well. Unlike Sakura, Chihiro canonically seems to have gender expectations and gender identity all tangled up in his head; if he were trans* it wouldn't be a fully realized thing for him at this point and it would have to be something he figured out about himself slowly while unpacking all of that baggage.

Basically, Chihiro's a character I could see as ending up cis, cis and a crossdresser, a trans girl, or genderqueer, but it would HAVE to be approached as less "this is a fact about the character, and is true immediately at the point they're being played" and more "eventually this could turn out to be the case, but maybe not."

yeah i really don't think chihiro's had time to sit down and explore his gender identity. i think he probably views himself as male at the point he's at in canon, and given the view of gender he currently seems to have i'm not really sure he'd be aware that there are identities that exist outside the binary

i get the vibe that cis is probably what was intended, but i do think there's enough wiggle room for genderqueer interpretations. not sure how i feel about the transgirl interpretation but i think that depends on how much you interpret chihiro's discomfort with having to present as female as being tied up in gender expectations and how much it's tied up with it just feeling off

Yeah, tbh I personally prefer a genderqueer interpretation slightly, but it's basically tied with "utterly cis but remains comfortably a crossdresser," which I also think is very possible. I think him being a trans* girl is least likely, but I can sort of see it since most of his discomfort at being seen as a girl seems to come when someone implies that he's weaker because he's a girl. So I wouldn't pitch a fit at someone having him arrive at that conclusion, if they did it right.

yes yes exactly this is how i see it, most likely meant to be canon male but plenty of ground for being a poor confused baby. and needing some time and actual strong female role models like sakura around them to figure things out.

although also for the purely cis interpretation people. if your attitude about it is "HA HA HE IS ABSOLUTELY MALE FOREVER YOU OTHER PEOPLE ARE DEFINITIVELY WRRRRONG AND IT IS OFFENSIVE YOU WOULD EVEN CONSIDER OTHERWISE EVER HA HA HA." then hello i have a gift for you. it is a side eye. no really, you can keep it, i insist.

thanks. i'll keep this side eye next to my canon evidence.

In response to the sarcastic side-eye:

Personal anecdote, but I am a cisgender male who comfortably crossdresses. The usual perception (from both cis and trans) is that I'm transgender, but most are pretty understanding and accepting when I correct them. It's not hard for them to accept that I am comfortable in my male identity but also crossdress for my own reasons.

Then there are the minority who insist that I must be trans, or that I "need more time to explore my gender identity", or give me a speech about how gender is a gradient and I must be less than 100% male if I crossdress.

I laugh it off, but I have to say: it feels pretty bad when people imply (usually innocently) that you are wrong for being a crossdresser and a 100% cisgender male, or somehow (to use your own words) "confused" about your own self.

So to summarise: I've learnt that if someone uses male pronouns, refers to themselves as male, and doesn't explicitly say or imply otherwise (e.g. "I've been wondering about my gender identity lately"), they are cis male. It actually is a bit offensive to imply they are anything different because they don't match your perceptions of what gender identity is. And honestly, I would have just laughed it off (as I usually do) if it hadn't been for that odorous "side eye" comment of yours.

This, this, this. I'm a cisgender female who crossdresses, and this perfectly sums up how I felt about the same comment (and my own issue with this).

Insisting that someone who crossdresses must be trans can definitely be offensive, and the way this fandom handles this at times definitely falls under that category for me at times too. This is one of these times.

no.

canon doesn't "lean toward" chihiro being a boy, he's literally been confirmed to identify as male. it's ambiguous if you factor in dr1 alone, but his manga chapter and another bit of information that's come up by now makes it completely unambiguous.

having him start identifying as trans instead of assuming he's always been trans would still be going against that.

No, I've read the parts of the manga with him in it and know pretty much all the spoilers from DR2, and I still think it's fairly ambiguous. There's a difference between identifying as male because you are 100% cis and confident in that, and identifying as male because you assume that's just how it works, with the penis and all, and you haven't unpackaged any of your weird gender ideas in your head (I don't want to be seen as a weak boy, so I'll pretend to be a girl because they're naturally weaker and no one will expect strength of me! wait I hate being seen as weak because I'm a girl so I want to get stronger, which means I'll just go back to being a boy).

Chihiro has been confirmed to identify as male in DR1. Chihiro also has a LOT of weird gender expectations about themselves and about men and women as a whole. Chihiro was also crossdressing at school even when he was more comfortable with himself, which could just point to him being a cis crossdresser, but could also be something else (and no, I don't buy that this is just for "ease of recognizing him"; Celes was shown entirely without her corkscrew hair and her lolita outfit, and if you're pretending to be a girl you do not happily wear the girl's gym short shorts because your anatomy would be painfully obvious in those). There's also the mild fact that in DR2, when creating two other AI to send to guide the other kids, Alter Ego creates Usami and Nanami. Which could mean absolutely nothing, but he chose an incredibly girly mascot and a girl that looks similar-ish to him and has similar electronic talents instead of just sending a copy of himself in there.

I just don't think it's OOC for Chihiro to realize he is not cut-and-dried 100% cis if he actually gave things some thought, though it wouldn't be OOC for him to give things thought and realize he is 100% cis either. Especially since he's a kid, kids don't always realize things early on, and even Japan itself has weird ideas about crossdressers and gay people and trans* people all being the same; he's not exactly coming from a society where he'd have any good information on this sort of thing.

SPOILERS IN THE ABOVE COMMENT, NO ONE READ. My spoiler cut failed at the worst goddamn time.

no.

he uses a male pronoun for himself starting from when he begins to feel more confident in his identity as a guy, both in the manga and in the game, whereas before that he avoids it. he turns specifically to mondo rather than sakura, aoi or kirigiri when he wants to become stronger, and in the manga even notes that he specifically wants to be like mondo.

he never disguised himself as a girl because girls are naturally weaker. that's why mondo claiming that the day after he got into an argument with togami for "bullying the weak (chihiro)" made him cry. the manga even highlights that part. he did that because japan's gender standards (even in-universe) are much stricter and men are expected to be strong, whereas there's no such expectation for girls. that's why he's uncomfortable when it's pointed out to him that "girls are naturally weak" as mondo says - because that's not what he wanted to be seen as either.

as for the other bit you mentioned? major sdr2 spoilers ahead:

even if he was more comfortable with himself at hope's peak academy (and we know he admitted his sex to his other classmates, since it's his secret, which makes it pretty likely that he told them or at least junko), there's still the entire rest of the academy. that leaves students like mahiru who holds men to ridiculous standards, or hiyoko who's an immense bully, not to mention that there was literally a murder because of bullying at the academy at one point. even if he was comfortable with his identity around his classmates, that doesn't mean he was comfortable presenting as his actual gender around the rest of the academy's students. (and for the gym clothes, he still looks p. androgynous in the pictures we see of him in those, and we know spike doesn't have a problem with drawing bulges if need be. see also: nidai.)

usami and nanami weren't made by alter ego, they were made by chihiro himself before his death (most likely during the pre-memory wipe time, since the bit in his free time events about what he was working on sounds suspiciously like his contributions to the new world program).

usami is meant to be a stereotypical cute mascot and is pretty obviously intended as a "good" counterpart to monobear (who was male). nanami was intended as alter ego's sister (and calls him brother). there's also the fact that both of them explicitly call chihiro their father, much like alter ego calls him goshujin-tama which is a heavily male-gendered word too, and that nanami specifies that he'd feel "manly-ish" while focusing all his concentration on a computer ("パソコンに向かって集中してる時だけはけっこう男らしかった…みたいだよ。"). they're much stronger evidence in favor of him identifying as male than any sort of ambiguity.

please at least make sure your information is right before using it in an argument.

He's male.

It's a reverse case of a girl dressing up as a boy in order to do something a girl wouldn't be allowed to do (aka Sweet Polly Oliver). Chihiro wanted people to stop picking on him for not being manly, so he pretended to be a girl so no one would care about how effeminate he was. It's well implied that before the mind wipe he was pretending to be a girl in the school too (in the pictures Junko gave out, Chihiro was always wearing the female uniform). The only reason he decided it was time to reveal his secret was because Monobear threatened to reveal it.

There's honestly no debating it and it is pretty dumb to go about it. The game uses this as a way of exploring the character and his faults, not to create social commentary. This is literally the same argument that comes with Naoto from Persona 4 and I wish people would drop it. Having a trans* character would be cool, but Chihiro is not a trans* character and the game outright says it.

i agree with everything apart from your point about him never revealing his secret before the mindwipe

i think junko pretty much says that everyone became bffs and worked through all their problems, and chihiro's #1 problem is his secret, so he probably would have told people. why he still seems to dress in female clothing could either be down to not wanting to tell anyone outside of his bff classmates or just that after living in girl's clothing for so long, he didn't want to change and just became a crossdresser full time

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