i think the distinction between casual gamers like ayrt and self-professed "hardcore gamers" is an important one to make

in my experience the hardcore ones are the insufferable cunts while the casuals are usually a sane bunch. the problem with so-called "moba" games is that they attract all the hardcores with a smattering of curious casuals for flavor. i've tried a few moba games, just because i have a friend who happens to be one of those hardcore gamers (and i'm sure i'd hate him like i hate all the others if we hadn't grown up together) who keeps trying to get me into them