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via ignorance, not intent. that's the thing to takeaway here, anon. it's not like polansky, where he actually committed rape. david's biggest mistake was believing she was as old as she said she was.

and that's an easy thing to believe when you're addicted to cocaine.

i'm not saying the dude is a rapist but even ignorant pedophilia disgusts people, surprise surprise

if drugs weren't involved and they were both clear-headed and she presented herself as an adult and he believed her (which happens even now), she would be the one morally at fault. it's not like a guy sticks his dick in a vagina and it turns a different color if the vagina's not ripe, ffs. if a girl lies about her age (and even has id to back it up) the fault is not on the guy. it just isn't. i would say that for anyone that this happened to, celebrity or not. he shouldn't have just known. there was no way for him to just know. no one can 'just know'. she lied. end of story.

the fact that drugs were heavily involved makes it just a murky-water mess, but the same logic applies in that she lied about her age, had id backing that up, and was consenting to sex with him. his fault lay in being addicted to drugs, not in fucking a minor since he was under the impression she was not.

he was 30

she was 13. she lied but SHE WAS 13

are you seriously trying to blame a 13 year old and saying she could make rational sexual decisions here

i'm saying she should have been able to make a rational moral decision in any sense. if a thirteen year old had stolen a car and run over pedestrians, would you blame the pedestrians for not getting out of the way fast enough when they drove up on the sidewalk and killed them? no. because you can't control the actions of other people. she made the decision to a) get a fake id, b) insinuate herself into a celebrity group, and c) fuck a celebrity while lying about her age. you can't blame anyone but her for her decisions in that matter. legally, it was stat rape, yes, but bowie was pretty much a victim in that he had no say in whether he chose to sleep with a minor or not. she took that choice away by lying about it.

the idea of blaming the adult comes when the adult is trying to convince the child to sleep with them. in that case, no, the child is not to blame and the adult is for pressuring and being predatory. that's not the case here. teenagers can be predators too. she didn't set out to rape him and i don't think rape happened in really any sense of the word, but she conned him pretty good. because of her lies, he could have wound up being charged for something he had no idea he was doing. i don't care if she was 13 or not, she was in control of her decisions and her decisions led her to be manipulative.

your screaming over her age doesn't change that not all 13 year olds have the same life experience or the same morals. not all teenagers will act the same. she wanted what she wanted and she got it. if it was any other thing outside of sex, she would be held fully at fault for her actions. but bring sex into it and suddenly it's everyone else's fault.

i'm done here

you can continue whiteknight pedophiliac rapists and tl;dr about inadvertently fucking 13 year olds until the cows come home but don't clutch your pearls when people are disgusted with him for sticking it in rather than blame this apparently stunningly intellectual and sexually-mature middle school girl

you're done because you're wrong and you're obviously bored of repeating your wrongness. she has out and out said she did it on purpose. blaming someone for being a victim of her manipulation is pathetic. it could have ended so much worse than it did and she could have ruined the career of an amazing man, all because she was an idiot. she wasn't sexually mature. that was the problem. which is why she didn't think of the actual real world consequences of her actions. she was a dumb little girl playing at being a woman and she's just lucky she didn't wind up with someone that abused that.

ehhhh taking it a bit far there, anon. lori mattix wasn't an evil person either. drugs, especially cocaine which was the dujour of the era, had way more to do with that situation than any nefarious intentions. let's not make moral judgements on her, either.

i'm not saying she was evil. she was a teenager and that means that they're all a little psychopathic. she didn't think about the morals of it. that makes her dumb, not evil. if an adult had done what she'd done, they'd be malicious and doing it with intent. she had intent, but she was just too young and dumb to realize that it had the potential to end so badly. teenagers are selfish. that's what she was. i don't think she was morally wrong. i just think she was a dumb little girl that was lucky in that she wound up with a crew that didn't take advantage of that in a bad way and that she walked away from that with no scars.

tldr: you have no arguments and pitching one last self-righteous fit is the way to go

ok and what is your suggestion here? she had a fake id and actively lied about her age (and absolutely did not appear to be a child), so even if he took every step short of calling all of her relatives, he couldn't have know her age. this isn't fucking roman polanski.

is your suggestion here that no man ever have sex with any person ever until you've seen their legally issued birth certificate? you're just being unreasonable to be unreasonable.

and there are murderers who killed kids when they were around her age or even younger

you try to portray her as a dumb baby with peas for brains and that's not exactly what happened here

She was rational enough to obtain a fake ID.

Kids aren't fucking stupid and incapable of all rational thought and it's downright insulting to kids that you think they are.

man i hope a Madonna story comes out just like this so you can eat your words.

or are you going to be blaming the 13 year old boy?

no, i'll definitely be blaming madonna. i wouldn't be surprised at all to hear a story like this about her, honestly, women can be skeezy too

this is the problem when you try to make this a feminism argument.

tumblr-style sjws already hate madonna, you dingus.

but only for now

they hated t. swift and loved emma watson for the longest time and look where we are now on that.

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