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It's attitudes like yours that put off new players and make games unwelcoming and stagnant. There's no guarantee a newbie will not meet the pace or flake out, just like there's no guarantee that just because someone's an existing player, they're acknowledging their limits on how many characters they can handle or not squatting on what characters they do have. We've just as many players in game with shiny syndrome and activity problems as we do ones that are active and engaged, and I hate to think of us missing out on some interesting new blood because they got in there first with their latest disappointment.

yeah gonna have to agree with this

what else are prospective players who can't camp out and spam F5 supposed to do if they miss out? pretty much every popular game has become this way, i.e. you can't get in unless you're willing to sit on the page the instant it opens and pray you beat everyone else to a slot. "dem's the breaks" really is kind of an asshole way of thinking when put into this context.

i understand in-game players want to app other people too. that's cool. but you've already gotten time to play in the setting, make CR and all that jazz. is really that big of a deal to let someone else have a chance? like, you really can't wait to bring someone else in down the road?

i hate how apping has become a super tight competition now, because it fosters attitudes like this and honestly is unwelcoming.

Sorry, but it is a competition by its very nature, most especially with an app cap. There's no guarantee that people in game can sit there and refresh the page to throw an app in on time either. The dates/times have been made available to everyone, in game and out, and sorry, but this isn't some kind of thing where you can go 'you've had your turn, go sit down'. If someone wants to app a second, third, or fourth character, that's their right, just as it's someone else's to app in a first. Or second, for that matter, after the 'free for all'. I think that was a decent compromise, since I know there's a couple reservers that have reserved more than one character. The mods are making it as fair as they can and I applaud them for that. The fairness extends to all players, both in the game and potential newcomers. One char this app round, unless it makes it to the free for all. That's a solid base rule for all parties and if the idea that you might not get to play your second char in a new game is unfair because you're new and you should get first dibs, I don't know what to tell you.

Prejudging anyone on being in the game or not is stupid, so let's just put that aside. But I'm willing to bet that if we went through the reserves and took a singular one from each reserver instead of counting the 2s and 3s reserved, there would probably be a number that didn't hit the cap. So your upset over potentially not being able to play is negated. Happy?

Where did you get the argument that new players should be allowed a second app before the free for all? No one's said that. I'm all for that cap - I just want another cap that stops existing players putting in applications until the free for all, too.

Sorry, but I think that's unrealistic and unfair. New players shouldn't get precedence over existing players, no matter what you or any new player might feel. It doesn't make it 'unwelcoming', since the game bends over backwards to try to accommodate the new rush of players at events as well as now implementing a buddy system. New players are as welcome as they make themselves (meaning that if new players just sit there twiddling their thumbs and expecting everyone to trip over themselves to make them fit in, that isn't going to work, but if they're proactive, they'll find casts and lcws more than happy to find a place for them). None of that negates the fact that existing players should, can, and are being given the right to find different angles to play out as well. Their fun and potential new fun shouldn't be limited by a stamp of 'be more welcoming to new players to the exclusion of your own fun'.

That argument you first mentioned wasn't made. I said that if in-game characters wanted to app a second, they should be allowed. And newbies should be able to app a second after the free for all hits. You're right, no one said that. Neither did I.

Please stop saying sorry when you're not.

I think it's unfair to let existing players fill up slots before the free for all that could be taken by newer players. I would prefer to see fresher blood in game than another selection of characters from the players we already have. Not that I don't want those at all, but if they cap it until free for all then at least the newer players are getting a better chance. It's not exclusion of anyone's fun, it's compromise and fairness.

The compromise and fairness are in the fact that the 'only app one character until the free for all' exists for all players, new and old. With the cap in place, the ability to app in multiples by either party is cut until everyone who gets there first has at least had a chance with one character. Whether they have one in game or not already isn't the point.

And I am sorry. I'm sorry that you can't see that this isn't about you and your needs. The mods took the needs of all parties into consideration and made a fair compromise. Do you think it would be fair if it never got to the free for all? That only new players got to app in? Because as an existing player, I can tell you I sure as fuck wouldn't think that was fair at all. Everyone's getting their chance to play someone. If new players are there first and no existing players get in before the cap, then there's not going to be any bitching because they were just too slow. But trying to say 'well, wait for the free for all' as if that's actually going to happen is a false compromise.

If you're an existing player, you're already in the game. New players aren't. That's where the fairness is.

This isn't about me and my needs. I'm already in the game. You're making it sound a lot like it's about you and yours though, so I guess I should wish you luck with your second/third/fourth character app. I hope you don't beat a newer player out of an app slot.

And your attitude is any better?

The player base is overall welcoming and accommodating. It isn't going to change because some of us want the same opportunity as fresh blood to bring in a new character. Plus look at it this way: 60 new players is a huge additional work load to the mods compared to 60 new characters. The quest system allows 1 quest per month for player and will be even more of a chore if suddenly there's 60 new players adding to it.

No one wants to be unwelcoming, but expecting all current players to suddenly scoot over to give priority to new babies in the sandbox is entitlement our game thread doesn't need. Be there on time with your app where everyone is allowed the same chance.

with the new quest limitations to limited slots, it's more like there'll be more players whining that 'they didn't get it' than there'll be a bigger load. tbh, I'm happy that the mods are putting their foot down and setting limitations if it keeps them from getting burned out. I want to keep playing for a good long while, not find myself in a crippled game because they tried to accommodate everyone and failed.

Why don't we just close applications entirely then.

Or why don't you go fuck yourself? Just because you're not getting your own way doesn't mean you have to be an extremist shit about it.

You're the one taking it further and further along the new players give mods more work and that's terrible!

If they can't handle 60 new players, which is still a possibility whether they prevent existing players from apping til free for all or not, then they should make the cap lower.

Try another bullshit argument to defend your desire to bring in another character that you can't keep up with.

I never said that. I'm a DA (which I should have put. Sorry)

They had the cap lower. They decided to be generous and boost it from last round. They seem to be trying to find a happy medium and I'd rather they do it in increments if needed than flood themselves and the game suffers for it. There's a timeskip event coming and that's not exactly the best time to still be dealing with a flood of new characters. This balances that out.

I'm not actually apping anyone this round and don't plan to be in the future, but keep thinking that this is all about my selfish whims and desires and not my wanting the game to be fair to everyone that wants to play in it. For the record, most players are actually pretty good at keeping up with their activity. No denying there's a few here and there that have the "We have a ___" popping up, but they're few and far between and isn't the majority of anyone that's actually already in game who wants to app another person this round. Some people are capable of managing their time. Some aren't. The lean on existing players by the anon you first replied to is that they've been in the game and know the requirements and are less likely to take on more than they can handle.

Regardless, the cap isn't getting set on old players, so you can just fucking deal with trying to get in fairly with everyone else, or you can fuck off.

We had existing players jump in on the app queue last round with their second or third characters. Take a look at how well they've done with activity in the past couple of months.

I'm not a new applicant, but thanks for extending that welcoming attitude to someone you assumed was a potential joiner.

I don't really care if you're new, old, or not even interested. There have also been existing players that jumped in on the app queue last round with their second or third character who have been more than active with them. See? I can flip side this too. One person/two people/three people are not ALL people. Pointing out that we have flakes/squatters doesn't mean everyone's a flake/squatter.

I'm also surprised there's this much butthurt over the app cap when other games have done so frequently and haven't had this much of a crankfest over them in regards to new/old players. And no, none of the other games put a cap on existing players when they have an app cap up.

Get over it.

if you have two or three characters in the game already and you're trying to snatch up a third or fourth when some people have zero, yeah, you should expect to get side-eyed. you're also wrong on the no wank front - go look at cdc every time their apps open and there's always plenty of complaints about "hogging" spots.

which yes, you are once you start hitting three. that's ridiculous.

The spots are still open, anon. You just have to try next round. Or the round after that. There's more than one person with three chars in right now who got them in before the cap goes up. Does that make them greedy too? If people have the time and inclination to play a third or fourth character, that's on them. It's probably going to just be more stressful than trying to manage one character in a setting like this, which a lot of people can't handle. Track the drops page. Most of the newbie drops are because they underestimated how much time they'd have to put into the game. It's a lot of work. I don't exactly envy them the stress they probably go through trying to do more than just make AC.

If that's what they want to do, let them do it. Until there's a game wide cap, no one's hogging any spots. They're just taking what's available when it's available. Try again next time. Or they can. Whoever doesn't get there first.

In a situation like this, I'll be more likely to side eye someone that took up one of the precious slots and dropped in a month than someone who's picking up a third or fourth character they intend to keep.

Apping next round would maybe be an okay response if apps were monthly. And if we weren't about to go into an even longer gap because of the timeskip. Two months or longer to wait when you had your app ready, just missed out due to timing or a player already in the game throwing an extra character in and taking a slot isn't going to exactly enthuse you to the game.

Not for nothing, anon, but there was almost 24 hours between apps opening and the final slot getting taken. If you can't do it yourself or have someone proxy your app in for you, then in conditions such as this where you know there's going to be a rush, you're (general 'you') more or less expecting everyone to slow down and cater to your whims.

I really do sympathize with people that missed out last round because the cap came up unexpectedly and didn't give people a lot of time to plan for alternatives, but that's not the case this time. And tbh, I think half of the reservations are from people that just want to surf the next big thing and are likely to drop due to not really taking into consideration what the game is like. The more you can't have something, the more you want it, which I find true in the case of games with caps. With an extra 10 slots and more people aware of the cap, I'm hoping that it gives the people who have taken the time to have their shit together and aren't still working on their apps (because really?) to get it in before the cap's reached. As a player in the game, I'd like more people in game or new players, to actually be more active. Do things with your characters. Play outside the box. Don't just app in, find out you can't play out your slice of life buttsex with your buddy and then drop.

honestly, if you're not going to be enthused any more because of that, that's not the game's fault. either keep trying or move on.

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