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i think a lot of people are getting distracted by that fruit "unseelie are more varied" metaphor. it's absolutely true, but the OP's point was more that people need to app seelie characters that will really DO stuff, not that seelie needs more variety. the seelie as a whole seem very reactive. the respond to problems and help out when needed but not as many of them go out of their way to really do the dramatic stuff that's making the game seem a bit unbalanced now.

in comparison, the unseelie are more proactive. waver built himself a coffeeshop to function as a point of neutrality and information hub. saralegui broke into the midnight court and made contacts with the npcs necessary to get himself into a place of power. the brucolac turned an npc into a vampire, and recently literally sacrificed some seelie to the pyrii.

while more variety is always cool, what we need specifically are some seelie characters who'll really get stuff done, both politically and in the setting in general.

IMO, it has nothing to do with variety. Seelie has tons of variety. Look at the huge spectrum from Korra to Sansa to Kayneth.

But what have the Seelie accomplished in game? LOK cast got a dragon and did cool stuff at Redgate. Legolas and Thranduil formed an elven kingdom. But both of those things are about 5 months old.

Unseelie are so super-active in the world that they do new cool shit on that scale every month. A lot of their characters who aren't even political or military get involved and do interesting things, like Ariadne. By contrast, a lot of Seelie characters who should be shaking things up in big ways seem to just want to hang around and play house.

Anon.

It may be unbalanced, and there may be more visibly active unseelie but you cannot be serious in implying they have achieved nothing

they gained a sigil for he queen

a seelie character was the reason Reynard ended up permadead

they rejected Morla's attempt to marry sansa off and drove off her troops

two seelie characters were recently part of a trip that may have found a way to kill the jabberwock

they're building a citadel

anon

that's just in the last couple of months

reynard is perma dead? :(

since december!

you seem a bit defensive to me, anon. i don't think ayrt was trying to say that the seelie haven't done anything, just that they haven't really been as proactive. and your examples aren't all really disproving that.

the whole thing with sansa almost getting married is still entirely a reactive situation. the characters involved there didn't go out of their way to bring this situation about, it was initiated by morla and the seelie were just reacting.

the reynard fight was a very mixed-court endeavor.

and the citadel building wasn't anything initiated by any of the seelie characters. it was an opportunity dropped into the laps of the players by the mods, and it doesn't really have much weight in this debate when the unseelie side has their own equivalent building project going on.

the issue isn't "seelie characters never do anything", it's "seelie characters don't make things happen without external stimulus as much as the unseelie do".

as both a seelie and unseelie player, i think it's more what's available for a character to participate in, and yes, character type. the seelies aren't being pushed to go to war as much as the unseelies are, at least, not until most recently.

which i feel falls into the ordinance of chaos vs. order. the seelies by nature of being seelies aren't going to around and instigate too much. there are some instigating and wayward seelies, but in comparison to the freedom the unseelies seem to have, it feels like less. there are also parties from both courts who are adamantly trying to stay out of it; waver velvet on the unseelies and maleficent on the seelies. the elves have their own little chunk of the forest (seelies) and ganon has his own territory that he reigns over (unseelie). there's parallels in each faction, but the unseelies just seem to be doing things more... loudly. the seelies seem to be, as pointed out, more reactive than proactive, but i think that's only as a whole, not individually. it feels more like the seelies that are pushing past the boundaries are doing it much more quietly and sneakily.

there is plenty of action on both sides, though i feel like it's easier to just jump in on things in unseelie (particularly with new chars) than it is with seelie, who sometimes feel more like they're grouping up.

i think that lancelot might have had something to do with the citadel, actually, but yes the unseelie do still have their own project.

it was yeah, him not the mods

i was gonna guess maybe saber alter was behind the spires, maybe, since they have to go through her, which means that neither of these are moot, then, the Citadel in particular since it's the result of player/character initiative, so other anon is wrong at this front, at least.

where did the characters initiate all this? i'm not doubting you, i just saw no mention of any of it until the mod post about the citadel and spires needing rulers.

http://eachdraidhlogs.dreamwidth.org/125017.html
saber alter suggested watch towers to reul

not sure about lancelot

didnt meant to, sorry! i just really love the seelies

and other anon is right, citadel and spires were player plots

Yeah, this. I actually wrote fruit metaphor, and I feel it still stands on its own, but I also wanted it to still tie into my larger and most important point: I just want more Seelie characters to do shit. The reason why I brought up having more varying personalities was more to say that the variety would (hopefully) facilitate getting shit done on different levels and fronts because of what would personally appeal to a character, if that makes sense. But first and foremost they'll have to want to act at all, and that's where the focus ought to be.

For instance, for those not in the know, Tzilan is a Seelie shardbearer, and, considering what the Midnight Court is and what it's for, it makes perfect sense that he would be--it's very orderly, organised crime--but how many Seelie characters, as we have them, would actually pursue that? How many have considered or tried it? (I would love absolutely nothing more than to be wrong if there are characters doing just that, btw) This partly has to do with the sorts of characters we have on the roster, but much, much more importantly has to do with proactivity, taking advantage of opportunities and the means offered by the setting. The MC is just an example.

but i also still just want some villains, assholes, and more neutral types for the fun and fuck of it.

the more of tzilan's threads i read, the more i wonder how i was ever surprised to find out he's seelie. he's so seelie it hurts, and he's not at all the "goody two-shoes" some people are arguing the seelie are pretty much required to be.

he slowly and painfully crushed someone's body into pulp save for their head as punishment and to make a point when that person reneged on a deal. HOW MANY CHARACTERS WOULD DO THAT.

Straight up, we've come a long way from the very, very start of the game. It was always meant to be order vs chaos, but the mods didn't frame it very well, have since realised and amended that wonderfully from waaaay back, and save like, one dumbass i saw on wg and hopefully not many more, people seem to be on the same page about that aspect. Again, I don't want to put off Seelie characters in the game, or anyone who wants to app a more good aligned character to it either, but if there are any prospectives who had not-"good"-aligned characters and were unsure of apping them because of how they might thrive on Seelie, hopefully the discussion might disperse some doubts. Or something.

but i just wanna talk about it.

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