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SAO is huge and popular in Japan, and there's nowhere near the amount of hate there as it there is in western countries. Do you think we're more guilty of trying to drag sexism and other issues into it (for whatever reason) even though it's never celebrated, the villains themselves are shitbags and shown to be so, get their comeuppance, and the moments themselves are meant to obviously tug at your emotions and get you to root for the hero etc?

the sinon scene is mostly fine, but in the scene with asuna the camera does get a little leery. i dont think the author had any weird intent behind it but it does still come across odd, especially since it takes the show's lead female character and literally sticks her in a cage for an entire arc.

not to mention sao is kinda sexist/fanservicey. you can make arguments defending the rape stuff as just drama, but silica is 13 years old and has a running gag about seeing up her skirt.

Uh, no, anon, no. While Japan is definitely not as socially stunted as some might claim, the otaku community is, very much so. SAO being popular doesn't say a thing about its quality, since pretty much all of the really popular LNs are crap. And of course these villains are condemned by the series' narrative, they went after the hero's girls. That doesn't stop it from being sexist or mean that it was handled well.

anon, even if you go outside the context of sexual assault, SAO is still extremely sexist in its treatment of female characters. The entire first series relegated Asuna, the supposedly 'strong' female leader of her group, into a prize to be fought over. Kirito's regard for her in that sense never changes, either. And let's not even touch "two years of semen". The whole thing is neckbeard trash. And it being popular in Japan, especially among male otaku, does not defend your position at all.

what two years of semen thing?

you mean the thing that got written out of canon and is never touched upon ever?

it still happened. it is still indicative of the author's hentai-like approach to female characters. there are multiple symptoms, so please don't single out one like it's going to make any fucking difference.

it still got taken out of. it is still indicative of the author's realizing his mistakes and fixing them. there are multiple symptoms, so please don't single out one like it's going to make any fucking difference.

you should only reverse comments if it's going to make sense.

you should only argue if your points have merits

you are really upset that people don't like SAO and have valid reasons why.

in official interviews, reki stated he wrote that on a whim to explore it as a writer, was completely and utterly embarrassed about it, and wanted it to disappear forever. so basically like all of dwrp, he wrote something he wishes he never did

as for his "hentai-like" approach, yeah i don't see it in his writing. the anime team is a different story altogether, but that's 99% of anime nowadays, not just sao

do you have a link to that, by any chance? or any other form of proof? because this is the first I've heard of it.

also, nah, I don't see a significant difference in how the women are handled between the novels and the anime. Kirito is still a gary stu hero (a horridly ill-explained one too. I can't deal with a hero that's sold as super-special-awesome with "just because" as the ultimate reasoning for it) with minimized personality that male readers/viewers can project onto. The female cast, with Asuna especially, are built up as special but are immediately relegated into prizes and rewards for a male hero. SAO isn't special about this, by any means, but it's a hell of a lot more visible given the series' popularity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwKDGzvRbEM

self-insert, maybe, but i don't see the gary stu. he's not perfect at all and has a lot of hangups. he's awkward as fuck and an asshole sometimes as well as being very selfish. in the climax of pretty much every storyline, he never wins with just his own strength and considers most of the females a lot stronger than him. as for being "super-special-awesome," he's played video games his entire life, so it makes sense he's going to be pretty good at them. even so, there are people way better (he mentions asuna and lyfa as being more naturally skilled; he only has more experience with beating the system and exploiting the game). he's also extremely violent, especially in the light novels and in his inner monologue (mentioning how he wants to slaughter sugou during the very first meeting in the hospital). so i still don't see where you're coming with the gary stu shit

these sound more like excuses than reasoning, tbh. none of those things actually hold him back. it's like someone's flaws being "WELL SOMETIMES I'M TOO NICE" it's the same shit with a different flavor.

i describe canon personality complete with a few canon examples that show he's deeper than the classic definition of a gary stu and you say that doesn't count because he pushes past his flaws and still accomplishes things

okay anon you win sure

could you find a worse canon to whiteknight for

seriously this is an impressively pathetic effort

they aren't flaws, is the issue. they never actually present hurdles to the story. they're "flaws" that actually make him seem "cool" to the dribbling otaku that are meant to project onto him. the fact that they're canon doesn't mean fucking anything. they're examples of weak writing designed to excuse the hero's powerlevels over otherwise capable women. it doesn't MATTER if he thinks the ill-treated female characters are stronger than him if the narrative absolutely refuses to have Kirito lose in any significant way.

if anything kirito's flaw is he wants and thinks he can do everything on his own (he insists on solo ffs), he wants to be the hero, and has an ego. but he has people helping him all the time so whenever he fails at 'being the hero' he's got the magic of friendship or girls wanting his dick to back him up so it probably seems like he always wins

how is this series any different from any other shounen manga or any canon where the hero triumphs against impossible odds? besides the addition of squicky parts that i'll admit are pretty unnecessary because everyone insists on that being a part of their argument. yeah, it's fucking gross you don't have to remind us every chance you get

do you guys really want kirito to lose that badly? he's the main character. if you hate the main character get over it and realize he's probably going to overcome any hurdle thrown at him that's how this shit works. the story is about him. asuna gets her story in Mother's Rosario so go read that if you want the focus to be about a capable heroine. so now i gotta ask what exactly was the expectation? it's a series about kids and video games shut up and enjoy it. he's not trying to change the world or say that anything addressed in the series is acceptable

also whoever said this was about justifying kirito as a flawed, believable hero you're a goddamn idiot if you're assuming this is an attempt to convince you he's believable at all lmao hint: he's not that's why it's a fictional story

how is this series any different from any other shounen manga or any canon where the hero triumphs against impossible odds?

shounen actually has more interesting bullshit reasons for powerlevels than 'he played a videogame that one time' or 'he's just cool shit'

and yes, having kirito lose terribly would actually be interesting

his 'flaws' are so boring they put me to sleep

p.s. telling people they should skip 4 arcs of a series to get actual focus on the heroine is really helpful, i'm sure

*5 arcs

"also whoever said this was about justifying kirito as a flawed, believable hero you're a goddamn idiot if you're assuming this is an attempt to convince you he's believable at all lmao hint: he's not that's why it's a fictional story"

this, right here, is the crux of the problem. it being fictional is not an excuse for shitty writing and a shitty hero designed from the ground up to be the self-insert fantasy of male heroes. he's fucking conan for otaku, and that was garbage, too.

"it's a series about kids and video games shut up and enjoy it"</i how about I fucking don't because we are allowed to expect more from our fiction, especially for something as insultingly popular as SAO. it is completely possible to take the elements that make up SAO and come out with a good series. that's why it deserves every bit of over-the-top hate it gets. the whole of the franchise is a waste of potential.

the whole of the franchise is a waste of potential.

thank you. this right here is one of the most infuriating things about SAO for me. there are good elements to the series, that's why i followed it this far. it could be so much fucking better without the garbage though.

remind me of that when I find your nazi/korean slave camp rp logs

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