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believe what you want, i guess, but this is pretty rude.

not half as rude as what you're doing in this thread

as a transman who is post-op in the sense which that word means for 99% of our community (i.e. had top surgery), who knows all the numerous reasons why bottom surgery is so rare, and who has spoken to and heard presentations from doctors who actually perform bottom surgeries given to trans audiences, i can confidently say that you are glaringly full of shit

other people in this thread may be lapping it up because of their ignorance, but you don't fool someone who has an ounce of actual knowledge and you're actually being offensive as fuck so kindkly fuck right off

i'm sorry i offended you so badly, i literally don't have any idea what set you off. i can't make you believe me through the internet under anonymity so i dunno what to tell you. but i will say that "our community" varies greatly around the world as do the resources available for the various trans communities.

everyone's story is different, i'd be sorry to hear if yours is as bitter as your comment.

oh piss off you big phony

you've been found out as a fake who is using information off google to pretend to be something that you're not. end of story. now sit down and shut up

lmao oh my god. calm your fucking self

please troll somewhere where it's funny not sad.

not trolling

if you can't spot an obvious hoax that's your problem. anons have admitted to using this thread to lie before and pretend to be something they're not. this is a case in point

What are they lying about? I'm FtM myself and I don't understand where you're pulling this from.

Apparently since bottom surgery is rare, anon is lying about having had it done.

it's not actually an issue of the rarity itself

the rarity is a reflection on a variety of things which include not just the cost (in practice it's way higher than the base quoted prices that this anon is giving)

the degree of risk involved in bottom surgery compared to the chances of truly satisfactory results lead the vast majority of transmen *not* to pursue it

the anon above is leaving out some glaring things, for example vaginectomy, urethral lengthening, and testicular implants. anyone who had chosen to actually go through the risk of these would by no means leave them out of their story

the amount of blood loss in vaginectomy is very high and it carries a significant risk of death, even when performed at the best clinics in the world. urethral lengthening (which is necessary to pee standing up) comes with risks of all kinds of complications including leakage of urine along the lengthened urethra. testicular implants, meanwhile, often require a long term process (2-3 months +) to stretch the existing skin in order to accommodate the implants

all of this is to say nothing of the risk (always possible) of a total loss of erotic sensation in the newly created phallus.

anyone who glibly claims that they "went with metoidioplasty, which is much more functional" (*totally* open to debate, btw, since many trans guys who get metoidioplasty will never have enough length for penetrative sex, which is precisely how some will define functional, depending on their priorities), simply says that their dick "works ok", and then lists off some base prices for a few surgeries while completely ignoring the more complicated ins and outs of the actual situation is totally full of shit

no one who had actually had these procedures would be talking about them the way this person is

i forgot to mention, before someone says "well maybe they just didn't have those riskier procedures done" that that's simply not how trans healthcare works

medical gatekeepers have a particular set of expectations for those individuals who gain approval for surgery (it's not easy, btw, look up the WPATH criteria sometime). those people who gain approval for bottom surgery in particular are those who have been deemed by psychologists to want particular things, and those things do not include ambiguous "half way between" genitals that have some male attributes and some female

there aren't doctors out there creating some sort of "futa" equivalent. people make informed decisions about what they want, but if someone goes to talk to one of these surgeons for a consultation and is like i want metoidioplasty but i want to keep everything else the way it is the surgeon is going to side-eye them right out of the building

it's possible that they just didn't feel like going into detail on a whole list of procedures. it's also possible that they would have gone into further depth if someone had asked.

it's way *way* more likely that they are full of shit, have not actually had this incredibly rare procedure that they cannot even talk about with any coherence or knowledge, and are pretending to be something they're not

just like many anons have admitted to doing in these threads previously!

sorry to disappoint you bro, but you've been had

are you trying to say that bottom surgery isn't done just for transmen or transgenders in general? and i happen to think you're full of shit either way. i know one post op mtf who's had bottom surgery and i know one pre-op ftm who's planning on getting bottom surgery done. just because you and a lot of others opt not to doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, you dillhole.

clearly it does if the statistic you're shitting out is anything other than 100% of all transmen don't get bottom surgery.

bottom surgery is very rare for transmen. it is very common for transwomen. the reason for this is in part that surgical techniques for transwomen are far more advanced than those for transmen (doctors have been doing those surgeries for a longer time)

a lot of transmen, especially early on in transition will say that they want bottom surgery. then they actually encounter the realities of it and speak to medical professionals and decide not to have it done for a number of reasons (see my reply to an anon above). it happens, but it happens for a very small minority

the majority of transmen get top surgery only because 1) the results are far better, 2) the risk is far lower, 3) the costs of bottom surgeries for transmen are prohibitive, and 4) very importantly, in the united states bottom surgery is not necessary for a legal change of gender, only top surgery is

are there transmen who have bottom surgery done? yes. but they are a very small minority and the anon making the claims above is very clearly not one of them

and you're basing that on what fact? the fact that you wouldn't get it done so therefore they wouldn't. this argument is stupid. you're saying that #notalltransmen opt to get the surgery, but you're calling out someone who has because... you feel like the risk/reward isn't worth it for you?

this is the literal definition of penis envy. i shit you not.

oh my god are you stupid?

try reading what i have said in the rest of the thread. i am calling them out as a liar based on the fact that anyone who had actually gone through the procedures that they claim to would have a far far more informed understanding of what is at stake in those procedures and would necessarily have knowledge beyond the basics of what you can read in half an hour on google!

i'm sorry, do you expect me to go back and read through the entire thread of tripe that you've spewed here because you don't agree with something someone on the internet said? you are so fucking anally blasted over someone saying and doing something here that you don't agree happened.

here's a thought; who gives a fuck? whether they're telling the truth or not, is this thread hurting you or causing you any pain? are they lying about any of the procedures themselves?

like, fucking unbunch your panties.

lmao

if you don't care to read then sit down and shut the fuck up because there's no more reason to bother talking to you than talking to the nearest wall

yes, they are lying about the procedures themselves as i have outlined above

if you don't give a fuck then fine, bye. you're not being forced to participate in the conversation

you must be flying on a pegasus because i ain't never seen a horse that high.

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